Taking liquid antimatter to the next level (1.28 FG farmer)

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Interesting; one of the only decks I have ever seen use a Tower Shield

[Rutarete]

Glad I've got most of this already upped. I think I'll try it.

Edit: I've gotten only 1 pillar in the opening hand in 7 games of FGs. Just saying, i think it needs a bit more quanta production.

[wavedash]

Edit: I've gotten only 1 pillar in the opening hand in 7 games of FGs. Just saying, i think it needs a bit more quanta production.

Common sense says that's an anomaly.

[Xenocidius]

Divine Glory (0% win): Literally impossible.

I love that, simply because it's the only match I've ever seen in Elements that is actually literally impossible. As for the deck, does your score on average increase or decrease?

[zse]

Scorpio (negligible % win): Always skip. Once in a blue moon you will see an early ice dragon and hopefully a crawler or two, and also have enough antimatter and CPs to ride them to victory. But mostly he will poison you to death before you get any good AM targets.

Actually there is a way to beat Scorpio with decent %, but that includes exploiting a bug on Poison+Antimatter:
If you're about to get lethal poison damage, and the creature #1 is Antimattered, you're not gonna lose.

As for the deck, does your score on average increase or decrease?

I've now tested this deck for 3 days getting increased score and loads of  

[Jenkar]

Actually there is a way to beat Scorpio with decent %, but that includes exploiting a bug on Poison+Antimatter:
*snip*

Bug use detail is forbidden. By the way, i've found that bug to be inconsistent at best.
Also, Stats.

deck	Liquid Antimatter (Upped)
players	Jenkar

version	1.283		win-rate	33,33%
$ track ?	enabled		win-rate (n)	35,16%
games	267		Score/h	355
win-loss-(EM)	89-178-(44)		Score/h (n)	427
time (h:m:s)	10:18:23		FGei[c]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	3730
min/game	02:19		FGei[cn]* (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14626.0.html)	4073

      Statmasta™4000                                                                *assumed card-spin/win: 35%

score/h	FGei(c)	Statmasta™4000	wins	losses	skips	EM/Wins
2201    164    -197    -1055    890    -21000    -1459    -859    -272    -1831    -1367    521    310    125       612    654    -836    204    1616    964    1876    2141    454    -2262    1071    413    -667    1218    778	10678    3219    1405    -1055    4847    -21000    -1459    -859    2654    -1831    -1367    4363    3107    3190       4752    4886    -836    2664    8053    5766    8592    10222    4286    -2262    5559    3423    210    6824    5567	Akebono Chaos Lord Dark Matter Decay Destiny Divine Glory Dream Catcher Elidnis Eternal Phoenix Ferox Fire Queen Gemini Graviton Hecate Hermes Incarnate Jezebel Lionheart Miracle Morte Neptune Obliterator Octane Osiris Paradox Rainbow Scorpio Seism Serket	4    4    2        7                 2            6    2    3    1    8        5    5    4    8    5    5        6    3    1    5    3	1     11     10     10     5      7     9     9     8     6     11     8     5     7     2     8     9     10         2     1     1     8     4     3     4     12     3     4		3      2      1            5                                          2      2            1      2            1      2      1      7      4      1            4      1            3      2

[ddevans96]

It's not really a bug or an exploit either, it's just the game's order.

[zse]

Actually there is a way to beat Scorpio with decent %, but that includes exploiting a bug on Poison+Antimatter:
*snip*

Bug use detail is forbidden. By the way, i've found that bug to be inconsistent at best.

I think it falls to the same category as "exploiting AI stupidity" on not using Rewind/Eternity/Arctic Octopus/Fire Lance/etc. on it's creatures with Antimatter+Vampire.

That feature is also mentioned on The big bad list of known bugs!

7.  Antipoison
Symptoms:  Your health remains at a constant number despite being poisoned to death repeatedly.
Causes:  If the only creature you have in play is antimattered, it attacks at the same time poison does, meaning poison sends your opponent's health down to zero just before it heals them back up to whatever the antimattered attack is.

[ggabriel2]

Score definitely increases. My EM% is not as consistent as win% but with practice you should be able to EM at least 20% of the games you play. If you can EM 1 game out of 5, it is impossible to lose score (because every 1 EM gives you 120 score and every 4 losses gives you -120)--and you're not actually losing 4 games for every 1 EM.

Actually there is a way to beat Scorpio with decent %, but that includes exploiting a bug on Poison+Antimatter: If you're about to get lethal poison damage, and the creature #1 is Antimattered, you're not gonna lose.

This doesn't always work, and even when it does you'll usually be at lethal poison long before Scorpio plays a dragon--which means that as soon as he does play that dragon, it will probably finish you off before you can do anything about it. Scorpio is very much beatable, but with or without the bug you're mostly reliant on him getting a dragon out early and that's a rare sight.

I don't have any particular moral compunction against it, though. The first time I had a two-game win streak going in platinum arena I lost my shot at a rare spin because I antimattered my dune scorpion to get through a shield and inadvertantly made the opponent immortal. As far as I'm concerned, turnabout is fair play!

Edit: I've gotten only 1 pillar in the opening hand in 7 games of FGs. Just saying, i think it needs a bit more quanta production.

Common sense says that's an anomaly.

One-pillar draws are not that uncommon--they happen about 14% of the time with only 12 total pillars out of 32 cards. You will often be waiting at least 3-4 turns anyhow just for a good antimatter target to get played, though, so most of the time you can afford to wait anyhow.

[gumbeh]

FWIW, your Darkness QI is 6 and your Entropy QI is 3.39. Have you tried one fewer amethyst pillar and maybe converting one to a pendulum?

OTOH the Darkness cards benefits from the reliability of the Mark and doesn't need to be played terribly early. So I don't see a huge problem with that half. That's a pretty low QI on the Entropy side, though. Do you ever feel flooded with quantum?

I can't test it myself as I don't have enough upped cards. The closest I could get, if I spent my available electrum on 2 more chaos power upgrades, would be something like this:

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The unupped LSes and AMs really push my QI up, so it'd probably be too slow, and those unupped shields are just plain sad.

TL;DR: According to http://www.quantum-index.com you have a lot of extra Entropy quanta generation that you might want to think about. Cool deck though.
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Edit: Went ahead and tried the half-upped deck. I haven't run into Serket yet, but I imagine with my tiny shields he'll be a loss/skip candidate. The unupped shields still help a LOT with firefly spam, however, and presumably other spam (paradox, ferox, etc) too. Eight wins and 6 losses so far; not bad. Acceptable quanta flow despite slightly worse QI - nothing to spare, generally, but sufficient amounts for my needs.

[Jenkar]

The problem is that you *need* the quanta. You often meet situation where, at the beggining, you're tight on quanta, at the end, large on it.

[Xenocidius]

Using my methods of QI calculation:

Entropy quanta usage: 42 + 2.5 - 12 = 32.5
Entropy quanta generation: 10
QI: 3.25

Darkness quanta usage: 18 + 2.5 = 20.5
Darkness quanta generation: 4
QI: 5.125

This could be equalled out by converting more pillars to pendulums, but as Jenkar mentioned, you need the early game, whereas you don't need the .