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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1042783#msg1042783
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2013, 01:45:34 pm »
I've been trying versions with only towers, one more GP, one more shard (either of Patience or of Focus) and no tears. It might be the slightest bit more effective regarding the win/loss ratio but I cannot measure it. However it is still IMO way less versatile and has a enormously lower EM ratio. It is probably a matter of metagame and of play style. I'm glad you guys have fun with this deck and I'm also happy to have found a new way to grind platinum (even if some believe it's far from the most effective one). An increase in diversity is excellent for the metagame.

I tested this deck and must say its really good.
The only thing i swaped out was the shield for another tower.
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I think we all agree the shield is superfluous. I agree that a lot of early gravity quanta is always a plus so if you have fun this way it's cool.

Did anyone else have problems against decks with a lot of bonewalls?
I generally wait for my second SoP to show up and destroy the first, kill the shield and resume the battle. Never been a big deal for me yet.

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045176#msg1045176
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 03:05:40 pm »
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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045730#msg1045730
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 01:07:23 pm »
For one thing you need a couple of Gravity pull. It is an extremely efficient defence in combination with SoFo.

BTW, grinding with this baby finally got me the 6th 6.

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045868#msg1045868
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2013, 11:39:40 pm »
How would you modify this deck, if, at all, you own Amber Nymphs?

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045871#msg1045871
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2013, 11:43:27 pm »
How would you modify this deck, if, at all, you own Amber Nymphs?

Personally I wouldn't modify it. By the time I can afford either, in most cases I have an excess of water quanta lying around, while gravity quanta will sometimes remain scarce for a while longer.

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045941#msg1045941
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2013, 07:38:51 am »
Personally I wouldn't modify it. By the time I can afford either, in most cases I have an excess of water quanta lying around, while gravity quanta will sometimes remain scarce for a while longer.
I agree. I have 3 gravity nymph (among which 1 is upped) and I still play with Nymph tears. If you read the full thread you will even see some people don't even play NT and pendulum to focus on the main strategy .

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045946#msg1045946
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2013, 09:04:09 am »
Nice deck! Gonna try it, but I have to upgrade the towers first~

So we need to pay more attention to keep the hp of pulled SoFo<45 because of SoP, right?
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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045948#msg1045948
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2013, 09:09:14 am »
Not really, if the HP of SoFo go beyond 45 by other means than accretion it does not turn to BH.

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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1045957#msg1045957
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2013, 11:23:29 am »
Not really, if the HP of SoFo go beyond 45 by other means than accretion it does not turn to BH.

Oh, then the description on the card SoFo seems to be misleading...

Since pulled SoFo provides perfect PC, better to keep its hp <45, right?
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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1046064#msg1046064
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2013, 09:39:09 pm »
Not having enough money to upgrade the last 3 Otyughs and pends I'm running this deck:

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Currently I had 4 wins and 1 loss in Platinum, so it seems to work :)
Not too sure yet about the Accelerations but I like having two tears. Maybe 3 GF provide a better defense especially because I miss my Otyughs from time to time.
Not sure if that's normal but from mid- to late-game I have a :gravity overproduction so I guess I can replace one Tower for GF.
Notice that Accelerations can serve as Lobos though that's a rather rare situation imo.

Anyway, I just wanted to thank SnoWeb for this deck. It's nice to farm Platinum without a Rainbow or PDials. Well done :)
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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1046245#msg1046245
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2013, 09:31:45 am »
Not having enough money to upgrade the last 3 Otyughs and pends I'm running this deck:

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Currently I had 4 wins and 1 loss in Platinum, so it seems to work :)
Not too sure yet about the Accelerations but I like having two tears. Maybe 3 GF provide a better defense especially because I miss my Otyughs from time to time.
Not sure if that's normal but from mid- to late-game I have a :gravity overproduction so I guess I can replace one Tower for GF.
Notice that Accelerations can serve as Lobos though that's a rather rare situation imo.

Anyway, I just wanted to thank SnoWeb for this deck. It's nice to farm Platinum without a Rainbow or PDials. Well done :)

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think unupped Otyugh works almost as well, since its hp gets 5 after one turn if SoP is in play.
And it costs 1 less than the upped one.

By the way, which Rainbow can be used to farm Platinum?
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Re: Swallow [Patient Otyugh)][Pulled SoFO][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46571.msg1046251#msg1046251
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2013, 10:19:01 am »
Not having enough money to upgrade the last 3 Otyughs and pends I'm running this deck [see above]
This deck is only efficient if you can have CC + PC out as early as possible. It means you need 4+ copies of SoFo and Oty for it to be achievable on regular basis. If you want to grind platinum with this deck I would suggest to up the remaining oty ASAP.

Not too sure yet about the Accelerations but I like having two tears.
Acceleration is good in combination with SoP but the deck is meant to be a control deck. I'd limit acceleration to max 1 card. It can give a good atk boost (or an occasional lobo) but will not give you a lot of win by itself. More would take to much card space.
Concerning the tears, I also like to have two. It allows also a slightly more humid quanta balance which protects you against soft denial (1/2 devourers/QS). Obviously as a duo, discord is still quite a pain. I like it because it increases the EM ratio and PC+CC+denial is a more versatile kind of control that pure CC+PC. It is however a matter of play style. The NT are not needed for the deck to work and the space can be use either to re-enforce the main strategy (more SoFo/Oty), to add more quanta source (the present balance is a bit tight) or add more boost (an acceleration as you suggested).

How would you modify this deck, if, at all, you own Amber Nymphs?
If you own Amber Nymphs and are interested in a full control deck (PC+CC+denial), you could try my gravity/entropy duo called triple D.

Maybe 3 GF provide a better defense especially because I miss my Otyughs from time to time.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think unupped Otyugh works almost as well, since its hp gets 5 after one turn if SoP is in play.
As I said above you really need 4+ oty. Your version seem pretty good but I would follow cielo's suggestion and rather play 2 unupped oty and one more SoP.
The 3rd GF is a perfectly valid solution is you want to play without NT. I would not put more than 3 as (1) you cannot play more than one at the time in defence, (2) your CC is normally done by oty, (3) more would clog your hand and (4) the pulled SoFo is more efficient from midgame on when you start to control the flow of your opponent's criters.

Not sure if that's normal but from mid- to late-game I have a :gravity overproduction so I guess I can replace one Tower for GF.
I have the same problem but a high number of tower/pendulum in the early game is critical (having your oty/SoFo out before the opponent's mindflayer/discord) might give you the win. In order to avoid the overproduction, I play slightly more water cards (these are thought for the later game) and pendulum.

Anyway, I just wanted to thank SnoWeb for this deck. It's nice to farm Platinum without a Rainbow or PDials. Well done :)
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I'm also quite happy to have created a viable and efficient deck with two of the less promoted elements: water and gravity. If you are into control decks, this combination is awesome and very pleasurable. If you are into rushes then ... hmm ....
I think the actual version of SoP is a great find from Zanz. It allows water some really nice combination with earth, darkness, gravity and more. Me gusta.


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