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SoSaSoraSoP [Silver] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42981.msg535718#msg535718
« on: August 22, 2012, 08:42:37 pm »
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Hi everyone.

I used the search function and couldn't find something similar so I posted it.

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How to use:
Play Chrysaoras. If possible together with SoP. Meanwhile increase Poison damage and stall with SoSac.
Since SoSac is your only defense keep a very good eye on the damage you're gonna take next turn.
Keep the AI from playing more creatures by using SoSac. If strong creatures or fast poison is your enemy you might want to use it
already at 60 HP. Otherwise around 40 to 50 should be fine.
When you got 3 or more Chrysaoras with around 10 or more Atk (depending on the initial HP of your opponent) you can start to remove SoP
and boost your damage output with additional atk.
It's very important to estimate when it's worth to remove SoP. If you wait too long a turntable might happen and you lose.

Long story short: It takes some time to play it correctly in my opinion.


Since I'm not yet completely done with my exams I didn't have much time to test it.
However, here are the stats I collected so far:

Silver: 54 W |   4 L | 9 Spins
Gold:  13 W | 11 L | 0 Spins
Platin: 7 W   | 7  L | 1 Spins

I wouldn't bother with leagues above Silver. Especially Gold. Too many rainbows with Purify. They als have a creation spam that makes it hard to predict when to use SoSac. As for Platin, you can play it there because the decks seem more creative. This gives you a better chance to win, in my opinion. In trade-off they have better upgrades like almost everytime 200 HP etc.
As for silver, I encountered many rushes with not much PC which is great because you can use SoSac just right while boosting your Chrysaoras and unleash them later.

Depending on the meta game you might feel like adding a purify to counter SoSac decks which are common in Silver or some congeals to give you more time getting the right cards.
Since you have poison and SoP can increase the atk as high as you want I don't think that you need any form of PC.

Suggestions are more than welcome :)
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Re: SoSaSoraSoP [Silver] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42981.msg536970#msg536970
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 08:44:29 am »
Unsure wherther a variant or a new deck but, I had a similar idea a few days ago:

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- Surplus :water quanta is for the Octopus - especially since I'm not sure about that purify, after the first test it could be replaced by another octopus.
- Use the Octopus against big creatures, Plague against hordes.
- Also, Plague can fill the Bone Wall.
- Never use the Shard of Sacrifice and the Bone Wall at the same time. One tactique is play the Bone Wall early it will sustain the Damage 'till the opponent builds up the damage output. Alternatively, you can use it after the Shard of Sacrifice as well, especially after the Plague.

All others are similar to the other version.

For both SoSaSoraSoP decks, the perfect name would be something like "Mathematic Sora" because using this deck is more about mathematics than tactics (or good/bad draws).
Always count your damage, estimate the opponent's damage, keep in mind the appointment of creature deaths (Plague) and freeze-expires (Octopus). Based upon these data decide which card is to be played, when is the Shard of Patience to be removed, even - in early game - play another Chrysaora, Octopus, Bone Wall, Arsenic etc.

Upgrade Scheme (from most important to least urgent) - Water Pendulum (or Tower) - Shard of Sacrifice - Bone Tower - Shard of Patience - Bone Wall - Plague - Octopus - Arsenic - Chrysaora - Purify.

Stats - Silver seems to be similar to Gandora's deck, on a longer term you can reach the special spin 2 out of 3 times (with correct mathematics). Gold and Platinum is not tested yet, however, I don't think it work against Gold.

Perhaps someone can build a more effective deck out of these variants.
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Re: SoSaSoraSoP [Silver] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42981.msg536972#msg536972
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 08:59:44 am »
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Unsure wherther a variant or a new deck but, I had a similar idea a few days ago:

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- Surplus :water quanta is for the Octopus - especially since I'm not sure about that purify, after the first test it could be replaced by another octopus.
- Use the Octopus against big creatures, Plague against hordes.
- Also, Plague can fill the Bone Wall.
- Never use the Shard of Sacrifice and the Bone Wall at the same time. One tactique is play the Bone Wall early it will sustain the Damage 'till the opponent builds up the damage output. Alternatively, you can use it after the Shard of Sacrifice as well, especially after the Plague.

All others are similar to the other version.

For both SoSaSoraSoP decks, the perfect name would be something like "Mathematic Sora" because using this deck is more about mathematics than tactics (or good/bad draws).
Always count your damage, estimate the opponent's damage, keep in mind the appointment of creature deaths (Plague) and freeze-expires (Octopus). Based upon these data decide which card is to be played, when is the Shard of Patience to be removed, even - in early game - play another Chrysaora, Octopus, Bone Wall, Arsenic etc.

Upgrade Scheme (from most important to least urgent) - Water Pendulum (or Tower) - Shard of Sacrifice - Bone Tower - Shard of Patience - Bone Wall - Plague - Octopus - Arsenic - Chrysaora - Purify.

Stats - Silver seems to be similar to Gandora's deck, on a longer term you can reach the special spin 2 out of 3 times (with correct mathematics). Gold and Platinum is not tested yet, however, I don't think it work against Gold.

Perhaps someone can build a more effective deck out of these variants.

Looks like an interesting variation.
How well does the Plague + Bone Wall combo work? Plague kills rather slowly so maybe an Ice Lance fits better? On the other side, with the stalling of octopus it might work nicely.

I agree that your deck needs more calculations to play efficiently. Your stats in Silver seem quiet promising. Can you tell me more about them?
In Silver, I'm currently at 41 Wins and 3 losses with 6 Spins.
And how useful do you consider purify? I encounter some SoSac decks from time to time but they rarely bother me enough to add it into the deck.

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Re: SoSaSoraSoP [Silver] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42981.msg537601#msg537601
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 07:09:20 pm »
Purify was not that useful, I changed it to another Octopus and a Bone Pillar to a Water Pendulum.
Against small creatures (which appear usually in large quantities) Plague+Bone Wall works, against creatures with much HP (or especially dangerous abilities) Octopus. SoSa works against both, in most cases you can wait 'till incoming damage is at least 20HP (24 if the Shards are unupgraded).
Stats are slightly weaker than yours but, also see the comments:

Silver: 33W (5EM) | 7L | 5 spins

Spins - simply unlucky, lost at the 4th match 3 times or so ^_^
Elemental Mastery - I don't get it, because the deck was not designed for that.
Lost matches - ridiculously bad draw once (no  :water quanta in the first 4 turns), stolen SoP whil'st SoSa is active once, 1 or 2 matches I don't remember. At least three times against Mono Ether. Lobotomizer+Phase Shield chain -> no damage output. Creature Control doesn't work on most of the creatures. Twin Universed Chrysaora is a pain too though it rarely occurs. Perhaps your version is better against  :aether due to the Poison cards. (Though, it is possible to win against  :aether with my deck if shield chaing breaks, Lobotomizer comes out late, or opponent starts with Spiders or Psions.)
Best opponents so far: Life Rush / Graboid Rush.


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20 more matches and the statistics changed: 51W (8EM) | 9L | 9 spins

One of the 2 losses was against a silly Rainbow Deck (or it was so good desing that it appeared to be a silly one?), the other one was a simple bad draw. Strangely, 2  :aether opponents were among'st these matches - won against both.

I don't know. Either I played better or (more likely) simply the statistics.
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Re: SoSaSoraSoP [Silver] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42981.msg538830#msg538830
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 08:29:18 pm »
Lost matches - stolen SoP whil'st SoSa is active once happened me once. just pay attention when playing against darkness

At least three times against Mono Ether. Lobotomizer+Phase Shield chain -> no damage output. Creature Control doesn't work on most of the creatures
My advantage here is poison. I'm not afraid of lobo because while the Phase Shields are up my Chrysaoras receive more power by SoP..

Twin Universed Chrysaora is a pain too though it rarely occurs
In most cases I got SoSaC up so they don't TU anyway..

Perhaps your version is better against  :aether due to the Poison cards.It probaly is ;)
(Though, it is possible to win against  :aether with my deck if shield chaing breaks, Lobotomizer comes out late, or opponent starts with Spiders or Psions.)
Best opponents so far: Life Rush / Graboid Rush.


Update
20 more matches and the statistics changed: 51W (8EM) | 9L | 9 spins
Your stats now resemble mine. Probably because of the extra octopus which provides more damage and defense (with SoP). While I replaced this with more SoSac and Poisons.
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