Pepoker (UUSEM)

[Higurashi]

You deserve it, pepo. Never before has Rustler been this awesome. ^_^
Some testing shows I prefer skipping the novas. It's really fun with RoL's, btw. A good change from USEM.

[5pla5h]

You deserve it, pepo. Never before has Rustler been this awesome. ^_^
Some testing shows I prefer skipping the novas. It's really fun with RoL's, btw. A good change from USEM.

well I guess you beat me to it

i guess i will stick with 10 light pillars, 2 jade staff, 6 rustler, 6 dragon, 6 heal variant i have been testing

ill edit the post and add statistics later cuz im a bit busy atm

and about the awesome rustler part...
what do you mean never before?... rustlers have always been this awesome
right pepo?

[Higurashi]

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5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7ai 7al 7al 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jpMy half-upped version I'm using right now, to get some respite from the boredom that is USEM. Those 1's of damage sure add up. x)

Oh, and can you add the variations in the OP, splash? 2 Druidic Staffs if the player has them, 2 Novas if they don't.

[hrmmm]

hmmm, seems familiar to me.
quick AI3 rush deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15119.0.html)
looks like you guys had the same idea in about the same time.
4 days differents and both posted for the deck archive ... hmmm

[5pla5h]

hmmm, seems familiar to me.
quick AI3 rush deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,15119.0.html)
looks like you guys had the same idea in about the same time.
4 days differents and both posted for the deck archive ... hmmm

oh wow o.O
i didnt even notice
but i was playing with that idea since october 20something before my overwhelming amount of homework came along and after i discovered USEM
and i posted the first chance i got right afterwards

i guess i should have checked forum before posting it :/

[Tom Chunata]

I am making a noob friendly version of this deck, where you can get this from the get-go without fighting any ais.

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4t3 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8
Choose a Darkness deck, and sell everything except the first card, then buy 15 light pillars, 5 rustlers, 4 heals, and 5 dragons. If you followed my instructions, you should have the deck above, and start playing ai3 from the get-go. Good day.
Here's how, for those who can't understand:

• pick out cards from original deck until you have 30
• sell those cards you picked out
• get what you don't have(start with Light pillars, then the rustlers, then the heals, then the dragons)
• rinse and repeat until you have the deck above

[Higurashi]

Nice initiative, but it lacks both damage output and healing. If you make such a guide, make sure it ends at the original deck, which isn't far away. It does, however, give me an idea. Two Shortswords is better than two Novas, if you have no Staffs. Consistent damage is always boss. The faster they die, the less you have to heal. :>

[willng3]

Hi, I've brought you stats for 50 games.

Games (AI3):   50
   
avg. Sec/Game:   121.920
Sec/Turn:   11.14442413
Clicks/Game:   33.620
Clicks/Turn:   3.073126143
Score/Min:   7.933070866
Electrum/Min:   8.818897638
   
Time overall (min.):   101.600
Wins:   37
Ems:   18
Losses:   13
Score:   806
Electrum:   896
Avg ttw:   7.460
   
ttw Details:   
ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   0
ttw 5:   0
ttw 6:   0
ttw 7:   7
ttw 8:   5
ttw 9:   10
ttw 10:   2
ttw 11:   2
ttw 12:   4
ttw 13:   2
ttw 14:   2
ttw 15:   1
ttw 16:   1
Good news is, that's a nice TTW value for an unupped deck.  The bad news is that that's with 13 losses... which means that your games are guaranteed to take longer (losses generally means > time consumed of course).

I still feel the need for this deck to use Novas to speed things up.  As it stands, unless your opponent gets out a turn 2 Discord in AI3, you will never inflict more than 1 damage by turn 2.  This is incredibly crippling to such a deck since it takes a full turn more before you can set off the deck.

Now, things I've noticed while playing:
1)  CC is EVIL.  Every elder has CC, and each one of them poses just about as great a threat as the others.  / spams Lightning against Rustlers, Reverse Time against Dragons.  ...spams everything, early Fire Shields make it impossible to win.  Freezes Rustlers and makes getting out Dragons an insanely burdensome task, elder's Chaos Seeds mess up Rustlers almost every time, Devourer sucks up your necessary to playing Rustlers, and Discord just messes you up, has both Otys and Gravity Shield; either of these coming out early makes it impossible to win 9 times out of 10, and has Thunderstorms and OE to kill off the poor guys.
2)  Countering threats:  Try not to play multiple Rustlers each turn unless you absolutely have to.  Missing a Rustler means that your deck is finished; it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY that you keep it alive at all costs.  Against opponents with Thunderstorm or Plague, it's usually best to not play more than one or two Rustlers at a time.  Convert all to ASAP and having your little critters get zapped won't be as hazardous.
That said, 18 EMs is fantastic for an unupped deck with this speed.  Perhaps it could be capable of some tweaking, but for now this is excellent.

[Higurashi]

Novas help the launch a lot.. when they're in your starting hand. Staffs/Short Swords always help. However, it may very well be worth it. All you need to do to protect Rustlers is play a Dragon. The only time you should play several Rustlers is if the startup has been delayed due to not getting what you need, because they'll get CC'd. This does not apply against the Air marked Light/Air Elder, as it has 2 Thunderstorms.

And yeah, it's delicious. ^_^

[5pla5h]

I'm so sorry I don't seem to have been giving enough attention to this thread recently.

I have been busy with war and RL and my internet connect has become very faulty...*curses our internet service providers and their "technical difficulties"*

When I go on Christmas break I'll be sure to get statistics up and a detailed beginners and strategy guide for this deck.

As for advice for people using this deck right now, I suggest you use the first version of the deck as it seems to be most effective, due to out rushing the ai, most of the time with just enough heals, again most of the time.

and the damage from this deck comes from the dragon chaining after you get the 3rd turn dragon out, which you can get in most games.

The ttw and EM rate are good, but it takes a long time to finish clicking the rustler, so it kinda makes up for it...

[Seraph]

I made a deck like this about a month ago(same exact deck but with change I am about to mention), but instead of jade staffs, I went for blessing, they really help protect the rustler from weak/persistent cc such as OE and Fire shield

[Higurashi]

Welp, this deck had a good, short run. The new Elders are a terrible fit for it, as they have huge amounts of CC compared to the last batch. After some testing, I can no longer recommend this deck. *sadface*
That also means I have no unupped speed-EM deck to recommend. Adrenafrogs is just as vulnerable to CC, though in a different way. Maybe something can be done with ImmoPhoenix..