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Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036198#msg1036198
« on: January 28, 2013, 01:20:20 am »
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036200#msg1036200
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 01:22:42 am »
phase salvagers dont work with 0 hp. put 6 sundials in.
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036201#msg1036201
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 01:26:11 am »
yes, Salvagers with no buff are merely pseudoSparks... it's amazing how many times I've seen this same kinda thing in Arena lately...

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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036204#msg1036204
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 01:53:58 am »
This deck can't win...
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036219#msg1036219
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 03:49:25 am »
This deck can't win...

How so? Seems pretty good to me, except for the fact the salvagers are useless. I agree with blarp; replacing them with a couple of sundails would be best.
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036236#msg1036236
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 05:19:16 am »
If you use 1-2 SoB when opponent has 6 or more cards in hand, BAM!
So should be careful.
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036262#msg1036262
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 07:34:50 am »
This deck can't win...

How so? Seems pretty good to me, except for the fact the salvagers are useless. I agree with blarp; replacing them with a couple of sundails would be best.

I really don't get how this can win... 6 SoB can just make the opponent draw 12 cards
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036263#msg1036263
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2013, 07:43:47 am »
This deck can't win...

How so? Seems pretty good to me, except for the fact the salvagers are useless. I agree with blarp; replacing them with a couple of sundails would be best.

I really don't get how this can win... 6 SoB can just make the opponent draw 12 cards

Enough cards to reduce the amount of Phase Shields to keep up to deck out with minimal to no damage.

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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036270#msg1036270
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 08:33:19 am »
This deck can't win...

How so? Seems pretty good to me, except for the fact the salvagers are useless. I agree with blarp; replacing them with a couple of sundails would be best.

I really don't get how this can win... 6 SoB can just make the opponent draw 12 cards

Enough cards to reduce the amount of Phase Shields to keep up to deck out with minimal to no damage.

 ?_? ?_? ?_?
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036272#msg1036272
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2013, 08:43:24 am »
This deck can't win...

How so? Seems pretty good to me, except for the fact the salvagers are useless. I agree with blarp; replacing them with a couple of sundails would be best.

I really don't get how this can win... 6 SoB can just make the opponent draw 12 cards

Enough cards to reduce the amount of Phase Shields to keep up to deck out with minimal to no damage.

 ?_? ?_? ?_?

In an average PvP match, the opponent has a 30 card deck, so after the hand draw, the decksize is ~23.  Meaning 23 turns to wait out to win via deckout.

Six 'Phase Shields' can block up to 18 turns, correct?  But when considering PC or how early the Phase Shield chain begins, this can be broken.  So, how to take care of those additional 5~6 turns that Phase Shield does not cover?

Draw acceleration.

Six 'Shard of Bravery' can make the opponent draw up to 18 cards since the Mark is Fire.  That is effectively 18 draw phases that the opponent no longer has to stall out the remaining Phase Shields unless they have the PC to break it.  And if done properly, only requires around 3 Phase Shields maximum in theory to quickly 'stall' out the opponent until they deck out.

That should be right...

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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036275#msg1036275
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2013, 08:49:11 am »

In an average PvP match, the opponent has a 30 card deck, so after the hand draw, the decksize is ~23.  Meaning 23 turns to wait out to win via deckout.

Six 'Phase Shields' can block up to 18 turns, correct?  But when considering PC or how early the Phase Shield chain begins, this can be broken.  So, how to take care of those additional 5~6 turns that Phase Shield does not cover?

Draw acceleration.

Six 'Shard of Bravery' can make the opponent draw up to 18 cards since the Mark is Fire.  That is effectively 18 draw phases that the opponent no longer has to stall out the remaining Phase Shields unless they have the PC to break it.  And if done properly, only requires around 3 Phase Shields maximum in theory to quickly 'stall' out the opponent until they deck out.

That should be right...

basically. although SoBe aren't that consistent especially since most opponents will catch on and stop playing their entire hand. That's also assuming you get the full benefit from all 3 shields.

I still recommend blarp's use of sundials and sosac instead of shields.
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Re: Oh? But you've decked out [pvp, upped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46344.msg1036276#msg1036276
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 08:51:02 am »
On a side note, why aether pends? I would have thought you would have more than enough quanta from just the mark.

 

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