My RoL/Hope (mostly) unupped

[ElementalDearWatson]

Chances are low enough that AI3 farming is better.

Are you sure about that?  I thought 25% of cards spun in AI4 were Upped?  Which would mean that approximately 1 in 4 cards won would be Upped.  So 1 in 4 cards would be worth 3-10 times as much as a card won in AI3.

That seems worth it to me.  Or am I working on faulty information?

[Graub]

Chances are low enough that AI3 farming is better.

Are you sure about that?  I thought 25% of cards spun in AI4 were Upped?  Which would mean that approximately 1 in 4 cards won would be Upped.  So 1 in 4 cards would be worth 3-10 times as much as a card won in AI3.

That seems worth it to me.  Or am I working on faulty information?

Actually its very hard to get upped cards in AI4. The win rate is fine and you can get EM sometimes with a nice deck but the matchs are slow compared to AI3 matches (and win rate on AI3 are almost 100% with nice decks)

[kimham8a]

I don't know if it's just me but using Instosis on FG's seems to give almost the same amount of upped cards/hour compared with using speedbow on AI4.

[McSod]

That right there is pure sacrificing to the RNG sorta luck. Never come close to those sorta numbers.

[Fosius]

I didn't knew dream catcher generates singularities

Easy elemental mastery

[kimham8a]

Yeah the AI plays two supernovas in a row sometimes for some reason. No idea why.

[Luciferin]

Chances are low enough that AI3 farming is better.

Are you sure about that?  I thought 25% of cards spun in AI4 were Upped?  Which would mean that approximately 1 in 4 cards won would be Upped.  So 1 in 4 cards would be worth 3-10 times as much as a card won in AI3.

That seems worth it to me.  Or am I working on faulty information?

Think about it. 1/4 chance for card to be upped, so that would mean that 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 chance for card to be upped. 1/64 times the card that you get in the spin will be upped. That's not really a great chance, imo.

[kimham8a]

Chances are low enough that AI3 farming is better.

Are you sure about that?  I thought 25% of cards spun in AI4 were Upped?  Which would mean that approximately 1 in 4 cards won would be Upped.  So 1 in 4 cards would be worth 3-10 times as much as a card won in AI3.

That seems worth it to me.  Or am I working on faulty information?

Think about it. 1/4 chance for card to be upped, so that would mean that 1/4 x 1/4 x 1/4 chance for card to be upped. 1/64 times the card that you get in the spin will be upped. That's not really a great chance, imo.

I think about 1/3 of my cards won from AI4 are upped.
I don't know if I'm just lucky or something, but the numbers here and my experience farming AI4 are WAY different. I don't think the card selection in the spin is as random as the other opponents' spins.
Try farming AI4 yourself for a 50 games and see what you think.

[Jonny]

2- Lobotomizer/SoG's. You can make the deck without the SoG's, but it's better with 3 of them, and Lobo is a must against some gods, so 1/2 of the effect's cost is awesome (the jump from  to  is a lot)

How am I supposed to play without ? I assume this advice is outdated. Or am I missing something?

[willng3]

2- Lobotomizer/SoG's. You can make the deck without the SoG's, but it's better with 3 of them, and Lobo is a must against some gods, so 1/2 of the effect's cost is awesome (the jump from  to  is a lot)

How am I supposed to play without ? I assume this advice is outdated. Or am I missing something?

Yes, extremely outdated.  This comment was made over 2 years ago when Shards could still be played using any quanta.

[Jonny]

Ah, thanks.

While we're at it: Is this deck still viable? I seem to have a hard time using the basic variant. I hope it should get easier with upped cards.

[willng3]

The AI's difficulty has changed a bit since this deck was posted but it should still be viable.  However I don't grind FGs anymore, so I can't really tell you exactly how viable it is.  Its efficiency increases as you get more upgrades.