Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages

[kirchj33]

DK,

I know that data is for your personal use and all, but be careful when making assumptions based off of 50 game tests.  Through my extensive testing, I found that at 50 games, your margin of error is almost a whole turn and at 200 games I would make a fair estimate that the actual TTW recorded at that point probably varies by about .15 turns.  Just food for thought.

I don't know if this deck helps you solve some of your mysteries, but here:

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21375.msg291949#msg291949

I made that way back when, as I first started to make EM decks.  Notice the creature spread?  This may not translate perfectly, but over thousands of games of testing, I found this is the most efficient spread for the deck posted.

Why does this matter?  You might ask....  if you notice the deck I referenced has NOTHING supporting the fire quanta other than cremations.  Which has issues by itself, but the takeaway to gain from this is that, I would imagine this setup is probably close to optimal for the best start out of the gates when you consider just the fire creatures.  The supported earth quanta in the decks you are working with, along with the fact that destroyers are very low cost might make for a different story, but as you are always eager to gain knowledge, I thought maybe you could take something away here.

P.S.  Keep up the good work.  I love it when people use a scientific approach, you don't see that sort of thing enough imo.

[~Napalm]

Wow DK, you sure have been busy. lol. I'd be interested to see if at 200 games, vNG 2.0 With the Fahren over the Dragon is actualy faster than the other variations. That seems wierd to me, lol. But... I may have to do some of that testing myself so you don't burn out and leave us for good!

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Man, I'm still used to the original build and keep changing my mark to even with Gemfinders... Gonna lead to my downfall eventually

[TheForbiddenOracle]

For Clarification: I do it by mistake . Also I said eventually, in other words it's gonna get me to lose one of these days... sorry for any confusion.

[jayjay10]

the unnupped version of this deck is so good for newbies!

[~Napalm]

Just going to point out... If we take that 50 tests data... the 1 Crimson Dragon is superfluous. The Real vNG has 3 Phoenixes, 3 MP's, and 6.22 ttw. vNG 2.0 Has 3 Phoenixes, 3 MP's, 1 Crimson Dragon, and still a ttw of 6.22. It changed nothing! Nothing I say, NOTHING!! Therefore... Phoenix > Dragon. Period. I rest my case!

Now to find out if the same is true of 200 games! 500 games! 1000 games!!!

[twixy10]

Fought Chaos lord by accident and killed him in 7 turns XD.

And a bad luck example: all 11 not Sparks creatures where belong the last 15 cards

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Rushed Octane today phoenixes helped a lot

[Sevs]

Idk if anyone has posted this version but i see it as sort of a mix between the 2 versions
I find it better suits me
The gnome riders really help with growing destroyers

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[kirchj33]

Nice DK, thanks.  I had thought sevs' version felt pretty quick when I tried it and this confirms it.  Now lets see you get in 200 games of the important ones.  Go go go!

[omegareaper7]

Figure i might as well post my version

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[Mildrey]

I suggest changing the name of this deck to MLP (My Little Phoenix).

It's also a very good rush deck, thanks for that.