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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg300381#msg300381
« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2011, 11:25:23 pm »
Hmmm, explosions really aren't that necessary for me with this deck... most of the time you can outrush the opponent with raw firepower before they even get dangerous permanents out anyway

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg300394#msg300394
« Reply #121 on: March 28, 2011, 11:42:57 pm »
Hmmm, explosions really aren't that necessary for me with this deck... most of the time you can outrush the opponent with raw firepower before they even get dangerous permanents out anyway
T50 changes a LOT.  Sometimes there are like 10 mono :aether decks in T50, other days it's nothing but pure rushes.  It's basically the best way to balance between the two.
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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg300826#msg300826
« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2011, 05:17:43 pm »
Played this for the first time but with a Hammer, Photons, and 1 unupped Lava Golem and got a 4 turn EM in my first game.  Move over Grabbix, I have a new favorite deck <3
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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg304287#msg304287
« Reply #123 on: April 02, 2011, 11:00:45 pm »
ooops, i rushed lionheart.

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg304324#msg304324
« Reply #124 on: April 02, 2011, 11:59:02 pm »
ooops, i rushed lionheart.

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see? phoenix version makes everything handy and dandy...

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg304337#msg304337
« Reply #125 on: April 03, 2011, 12:19:39 am »
yeah, I like it even better than the first phoenix version. Have you posted the gemfinder version on the OP?

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg305100#msg305100
« Reply #126 on: April 04, 2011, 04:15:06 am »
I'm seeking for advice.

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Thanks in advance for the help.

Edit:I've played a dozen of games with my 31 card variant and it seems to be doing better than the deck I posted above. I won against most of the T50 decks I faced so far (lost once to a rush deck and had 2 free wins from farm decks). It'll still need more testing.

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Re: To onning https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg305397#msg305397
« Reply #127 on: April 04, 2011, 06:10:01 pm »
I've played a dozen of games with my 31 card variant and it seems to be doing better than the deck I posted above. I won against most of the T50 decks I faced so far (lost once to a rush deck and had 2 free wins from farm decks). It'll still need more testing.

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From what I see here it appears you have some quanta issues.

From a slow start, i'd say you "pick up" steam around 3rd turn or so.

5 or so "pendulums/pilars"

cremation must at the start, comes solely from minor phoenixes; and you only have two in that deck.

Your primary attacker is Lava Destroyer, with support from Gnome Gemfinder. Second attacker is Phoenix.

Questions:

"how "soon" do you find yourself playing heavy hitters? (Phoenix and Lava Destroyer?)

"Do you find Fahrenheit effective at all?" (It appears with slow quanta production Farhenheit hinders quanta that would be used for higher hitting Lava Destroyers and Phoenixes)

"Do you feel you have more Gnome Finders over the Amount of Lava Destroyers played?"

Suggestions and modifications:

*Have you compared it to the "original vNG" to compare speeds and quanta issues?

Replace two phoenixes for two dragons and see if you get a higher attack output (it may slow your deck down a bit)

Replace one phoenix for another upped Lava Destroyer.

Fahrenheit could be replaced for CC aide/ adding a Rage Potion could help.

If you plan to replace all phoenixes for minor phoenixes, you'll boost the speed of your deck at a cost of damage output.

Overall I've seen benefits of having two phoenixes on my deck rather than having 3 or more. (the rest being minor phoenixes.) However I'm playing a deck closer to the original vNG.
I don't have any quanta issues except in some extremely rare cases. It's also not rare for me to end up with excess of quanta. I'm currently trying with a long sword instead of a fahrenheit as I feel it's cheaper and less situational. Btw, I used the deck from Napalm Grenade on top of page 8 and added a gemfinder.

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg306222#msg306222
« Reply #128 on: April 05, 2011, 09:43:42 pm »
Ultimately, the Fahrenheit might be the best thing to substitute. I fooled around with it for a while, mass cremating to bypass a sundial was kinda fun, but I ultimately put in a Rage Potion.
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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg307881#msg307881
« Reply #129 on: April 07, 2011, 11:46:37 pm »
Rage potion? Not another attacker? and DK said something about MPs being the sole cremate target? I generally drop that extra tower, cremate a gemfinder, then cremate a phoenix or just cremate gemfinder first turn and play from there.

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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg309866#msg309866
« Reply #130 on: April 11, 2011, 04:09:06 pm »
I had the Rage Elixir for a while, as a buff and a troublesome meddler destroyer, but eh... I ended up changing it even more now. -1 Phoenix +1 Minor Phoenix, -1 Rage Elixir +1 Crimson Dragon. So it looks something like this. (Or rather... exactly like this)
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Ultimately I like this version the best. It's similar to the original in the respect that it's focused purely on speed, with the exception of 2 Explosions.
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Re: Lava Rush vNG. How to rush like a Master! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg309914#msg309914
« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2011, 06:16:38 pm »
I had the Rage Elixir for a while, as a buff and a troublesome meddler destroyer, but eh... I ended up changing it even more now. -1 Phoenix +1 Minor Phoenix, -1 Rage Elixir +1 Crimson Dragon. So it looks something like this. (Or rather... exactly like this)
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Ultimately I like this version the best. It's similar to the original in the respect that it's focused purely on speed, with the exception of 2 Explosions.
brilliant, tested it and loved the new variation.
fire mark helps getting damage out and gemfinders can be cremated/ act as quanta producer for destroyer.
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