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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1135585#msg1135585
« Reply #204 on: May 09, 2014, 08:22:45 am »
I somehow think this is relevant. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/deck-compilations/the-versatility-of-the-immo-rush/

Well I would play your deck like this.
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it's a bit slower but it has higher win rate for sure.
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1135659#msg1135659
« Reply #205 on: May 09, 2014, 10:47:17 pm »
I liked this deck, and I'm using so
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136124#msg1136124
« Reply #206 on: May 12, 2014, 07:15:11 pm »
Couple of notes here, but I'll try to be brief.

Blacksmith points out that an ImmoRush as a deck archetype is extremely versatile in nature, which is what makes them so interesting. However, vNG is a rather specific variation. While there is plenty of room for experimentation, my intent with this deck remains firmly planted on the original foundation: to bring stability to what would otherwise be a hit-or-miss deck reliant on good RNG.

That is the cornerstone that I use when determining whether or not a change I'm considering is in line with the deck as a whole. This is how I arrived at the original variants and even more so the latest one. It is the step I excluded when I posted GoD and vE, which is why I do not like those variations now. I find that GoD relies too heavily on Destroyers and Gemfinders which actually leads to more bad hands than other variants. vE made the mistake of reverting to an Earth Mark, which is not ideal for the sake of stability.

Marks:
When the original variants were posted, decks as a whole were slower and packing less CC than in today's meta. As a result, stability didn't make as much of a difference in the long run as it will now. This is why having a Fire Mark is superior to an Earth Mark. In the extremely short games, the Growth ability won't actually be very important because the game ends fast enough that running out of Earth Quanta is hardly a problem. In the extremely long games (against lots of CC) the Destroyers will most likely be removed permanently and the Earth Quanta piles up uselessly. A Fire Mark helps wean the deck off of RNG in the early game and the extra Fire Quanta will definitely have an impact in longer games (7+ turns) when you consider the extra creature(s) that can be played off of the mark alone.

Quanta:
Even with the Fire Mark I found it is better to avoid too many Gemfinders as fodder because they will inevitably lead to bad drawing if there are too many. Ever since the advent of the Minor Phoenix, four fodder has always been enough. I see no reason to change that now. Balance that with the six towers which have always been the ideal number, it would seem, and you have the buffer needed to rely on the Minor Phoenixes as the catalyst for deck launch. These simple ideals result in a reliance on Fire itself that makes bringing in splashed cards less ideal than in most other variations. The Phoenixes and Seraphim take that place instead.

It is also worth noting that as a result of easing the burdens on Fire Quanta, this deck can and does get by without a weapon. Not requiring Fire was the single greatest benefit to a weapon, along with the fact that it made three turn wins possible. The weapon itself is not fundamental to the core of the deck given the notable changes to quanta balance achieved in recent times.

Ugh. That was a lot longer than I expected, but I wanted to fully explain some of the reasoning behind what I'm using (I'm not quite as whimsical as I usually like to portray).

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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136135#msg1136135
« Reply #207 on: May 12, 2014, 08:21:56 pm »
 Ok, really RNG of the deck thoroughly should be evaluated, I disagree only of these 2 phoenix.
 2 phoenix are 14 damage with 14 :fire quanta.
 1 long sword and 1 minor are 10 damage with less than 3 :fire quanta and truly the deck flows better and faster. (savings of quanta to golems and Seraphim)
the phoenix usually are stranded in my hand and I don't like it

then I recommend at least do this
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136136#msg1136136
« Reply #208 on: May 12, 2014, 08:39:15 pm »
At some point the nuances come down to personal preference. I personally choose to use Phoenixes as additional support because they reliably shrug off CC. If killed only once, they return. If delayed, they can be Cremated and return. Where a Destroyer or Seraph would die to AoE, a Phoenix makes a triumphant return for potentially that last hit you need. I consider this a core tenant to decks stability. As I mentioned, I don't feel the weapon truly adds as much to this deck as one would normally think. Having the weapon is definitely not a bad thing, but it isn't necessarily a good thing either. It just is.

These are my personal feelings about this deck that has been my elemental signature for many years now. How anyone else chooses to apply these decks is totally up to them. The reasons for various design decisions are entirely my own. They could be totally wrong, but they haven't failed me thus far. ::)
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136139#msg1136139
« Reply #209 on: May 12, 2014, 09:17:50 pm »
 I understand, I also confess that I have a special affection for the long sword aaannnd.... to combine with the sword of my avatar,
 after all I'm a hero :P
 I think it's cool, immo golen is a deck for everyone tastes.

and to commemorate 127 damage in 4 turns yesss
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136269#msg1136269
« Reply #210 on: May 14, 2014, 06:34:29 am »
I see your 127 and raise you 131! ::)

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P.S. According to my calculations, my variation has an 89.4% chance to have at least one Destroyer, Phoenix, or Seraph on the field by turn 2. 95.97% if I go second.
P.P.S 64.3% and 78.9% for turn 1. I like those numbers ::)
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136339#msg1136339
« Reply #211 on: May 14, 2014, 07:57:57 pm »
Okay, ok, congrats LoF, well you left me a goal and I like it, 127 was just casual,
 but today I tried and tried to do the very best and just got it

138 and save long sword :P

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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136562#msg1136562
« Reply #212 on: May 16, 2014, 10:05:42 pm »
Was messing around in trainer moar :D
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Re: Lava Rush vNG ~ Rushing through the Ages https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6960.msg1136564#msg1136564
« Reply #213 on: May 16, 2014, 10:24:15 pm »
Nice, but here was just to post suggestions for improvements to the immo-golen of LoF, if you have an immo-golen shardless ok.
but then you did a completely different of the topic deck.
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