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Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153647#msg1153647
« on: September 02, 2014, 03:17:26 pm »
Just a fun deck idea:)  It would not be too consistent in PVp or even arena, but you get a combo off quite often and its fun to play.  Eternity is a life saver here.
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Anyway, the dragonflys can be eaten by the scarabs too once 4 quanta has been generated:)  Note: you cannot deck out even with the hourglasses- the glasses are uber important to this deck.

Does any1 have any improvements/suggestions?  THanks.

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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153719#msg1153719
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 09:28:54 pm »
Do you really need 19 time towers?
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153743#msg1153743
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 11:40:14 pm »
Well....this deck would be quanta starved without it with hourglasses and high cost of pharaohs-  plus, u get through those towers quickly with the hourglasses.

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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153745#msg1153745
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 11:47:06 pm »
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This deck uses 20 pillars and is not quanta starved at all.
19 is probably a bit too much, considering that the above deck GUZZLES time quanta like nobody's business.

Errr, add 6 SoR and you should be able to reduce the pillars down to 15.

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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153748#msg1153748
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2014, 12:07:27 am »
Hmm I will consider using less towers- Although, to be fair, that deck has time mark, which tbh makes a big difference.  I guess less can be used.  Maybe I will take out like 1-5, will decide with more testing.  Um- btw, the SoR are basically only good on Pharaos, cause their are no flying eternities:)  So I think 3 is fine. 

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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153750#msg1153750
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2014, 12:46:29 am »
I am pretty sure that it really needs that many towers, since you want to get pharaos as quickly as possible (4towers turn 2 pharao, start with 2 towers and draw 1tower each turn turn 3 and anything worse than that will likely loose you the game). Chances are you will end the game with 30-75 quanta, but it would take you to long to get started otherwise. If there was a  :time immolation i would put it in this deck, but there isnt. You might replace the damselflys with unupped novas and could switch to  :time mark to ease the quanta-production, but else it really requires that many pillars (It would probably survive with a few less, but I wouldnt go below 16 in this 43 card deck)
Edit: I just realized you are not using 6 Pharaos in which case it may not actually need that many towers, since you may not have a single Pharao in your starting hand anyway. But I guess you rather need more Pharaos than less quanta.
Edit2: Used this in trainer and didnt find my Pharao until turn 3 after using an Hourglass:
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And it should be much more consistent in finding Pharaos! Won against "familiar Deja vu" by turn 5 though (30hpdeck dont get any ideas!).
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153754#msg1153754
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2014, 01:14:12 am »
I am pretty sure that it really needs that many towers, since you want to get pharaos as quickly as possible (4towers turn 2 pharao, start with 2 towers and draw 1tower each turn turn 3 and anything worse than that will likely loose you the game). Chances are you will end the game with 30-75 quanta, but it would take you to long to get started otherwise. If there was a  :time immolation i would put it in this deck, but there isnt. You might replace the damselflys with unupped novas and could switch to  :time mark to ease the quanta-production, but else it really requires that many pillars (It would probably survive with a few less, but I wouldnt go below 16 in this 43 card deck)
Edit: I just realized you are not using 6 Pharaos in which case it may not actually need that many towers, since you may not have a single Pharao in your starting hand anyway. But I guess you rather need more Pharaos than less quanta.
Edit2: Used this in trainer and didnt find my Pharao until turn 3 after using an Hourglass:
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And it should be much more consistent in finding Pharaos! Won against "familiar Deja vu" by turn 5 though (30hpdeck dont get any ideas!).

Thanks for the input.  I rather like your idea, but I feel it would be taking away from some of the synergies of the regular deck- the dragonflies do 3 extra dmg per turn with sofree and allso are fodder for those scarabs.  However, I do feel maybe adding 1 or 2 more pharoahs might be advantageous.  Do you think the quata strain would be too much just by adding 1-2 more?
Edit: Forgot to mention, that other deck you have may even be more competitive and better, but I feel will take away a little less fun to the deck (as it is rather fun eating your own dragonflies) and take way from the theme.
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153756#msg1153756
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2014, 01:27:48 am »
Its perfectly fine if you add some flavour to the deck. That would actually make it more suitable to submit it in the bestiary if you are interested (I think submissions are still allowed). If youre going with damselflies, you will have excess  :air so why not go full retard and add Skyblitzes or thunderstorms?
If I modify someone else's deck usually the competitive side in me awakens and I will try to make as powerful as I can manage, possibly at the expense of thematical flavour and fun, which are both great things that deserve appreciation. So do as you wish, its your deck after all!
Edit: I tried to modify your deck in a fun way. As theme I took my smattering of the sun god Ra. Ended up with this:
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Just wanted to let you know that you inspired me :).
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153773#msg1153773
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2014, 02:54:50 am »
Small nitpick. This is a duo, not a trio.
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153781#msg1153781
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2014, 03:54:52 am »
Shameless self-plug: I just had a very similar deck up in the arena, and it was voted thumbs up with 50%, so I'm assuming it has some sort of originality and/or popularity behind it.  Just thought I'd share and you're welcome to use any ideas from it as you see fit.

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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153821#msg1153821
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 11:21:35 am »
@kaempfer13-   I actually think this new deck you created is even more fun than mine:)  I appreciated all of your suggestions, and is seems like those cremations are a nice addition with phoenixes and RoL- should another creamtion be added I wonder?  Yes, this 1 seems to be as fun and more powerful, so I think If I ever get enough coins waste around for a fun deck (right now I only have poison dials,  a PVP discord blackhole rainbow, and some random upped cards upped) I will make this.  Thanks for advice so far.  EDIT- I need an eternity in there somewhere thoughXD.

@omegareaper7-   :o is this really a duo?  XD IDK how to move it into duo section so...     Btw, kaempfer's awesome mod turned into a quartet anyway so I guess if it really matters the mods can move it? :)

@dragonsdemesne- wow 50%, I dont think ive ever got that lol.  Glad we could take that awesome arena deck and put it into a suitable deck for PVP/grinding/arena (or whatever the heck this deck does well against:/, Ive only tested in trainer and it did reasonably well against Ai4, but with small sample sizeXD
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Re: Flying Pharaos (Fun) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55589.msg1153822#msg1153822
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 12:11:25 pm »
The deck colour (mono, duo, trio, quartet, rainbow) is determined in how many elements you have in your cards.

This deck uses air cards and time cards, making it an air-time duo. The mark of a deck doesn't affect the deck "colour". A deck using air mark and all light cards, including pegasi, is still a mono light.

But, I'm still going to say you really want more than 3 SoR. You can use them on your scarabs and devour things twice a turn, which would remove the need for gravity quanta.

 

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