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Constantine's Flaming Cross UPPED COME CHECK IT OUT https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112608#msg1112608
« on: November 29, 2013, 07:42:25 pm »
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This is one of your average fire stalls; complete with your fire bolts, fire shields, sanctuaries, and deflags.
-Fire Shield to make opposing monsters lose HP
-Fire Bolt for CC and when your Quanta get high enough and you still haven't drawn a Fahrenheit or your opponent has destroyed them you can attack the health of your  opponent directly
-Sanctuary for heal and anti devourer
-Deflags to destroy opposing weapons and shields.

The only problem this deck has is against Bone Wall decks, but you can just Fire Bolt around it.
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112612#msg1112612
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2013, 08:20:51 pm »
More Fahrenheits, less deflags. Opponent has sanctuaries/bonds? OTK. Opponent has reflective? Can't deflag anyways

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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112618#msg1112618
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2013, 08:49:25 pm »
More Fahrenheits, less deflags. Opponent has sanctuaries/bonds? OTK. Opponent has reflective? Can't deflag anyways
Why would I add more Fahrenheit? It's a weapon, I can only play one at a time. My opponent would run out of deflags/steals by the time they destroy both fahrenheits. Also why would I take out deflags? If it weren't for all of the deflags I would be obliterated by my opponent's weapons and shields such as Dissipation and Dimension. If anything I should add more deflags just in case.
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112622#msg1112622
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2013, 09:14:56 pm »
I've been using this in pvp2 now for a few months to great effect, it's a rare occasion that it sees a loss.

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Of the differences I'd say first of all, yours is unupped so naturally more quanta sources is a necessity. I definitely think you could benefit from more pillars/less pends though, as the :light production is totally unaffected by the cards being upped and I manage just fine. Once you get more upped quanta sources I'd definitely reccomend replacing them with RE, its use as cheap CC is invaluable and has saved me in many a game by allowing me to save lances for an OTK style win. Other than that we just have 5 deflag / 2 fahren vs 4 explosion / 3 fahren which I guess is just personal preference, I prefer the early fahren draw myself.

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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112624#msg1112624
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2013, 09:24:15 pm »
I've been using this in pvp2 now for a few months to great effect, it's a rare occasion that it sees a loss.

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Of the differences I'd say first of all, yours is unupped so naturally more quanta sources is a necessity. I definitely think you could benefit from more pillars/less pends though, as the :light production is totally unaffected by the cards being upped and I manage just fine. Once you get more upped quanta sources I'd definitely reccomend replacing them with RE, its use as cheap CC is invaluable and has saved me in many a game by allowing me to save lances for an OTK style win. Other than that we just have 5 deflag / 2 fahren vs 4 explosion / 3 fahren which I guess is just personal preference, I prefer the early fahren draw myself.
I honestly would put a third Fahrenheit if I had one. Should I mix around the pillars/pends now? Or should I wait for I have more Quanta sources?
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112626#msg1112626
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2013, 09:53:25 pm »
I honestly would put a third Fahrenheit if I had one.
Why would I add more Fahrenheit? It's a weapon, I can only play one at a time. My opponent would run out of deflags/steals by the time they destroy both fahrenheits.

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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112627#msg1112627
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2013, 09:57:36 pm »
I honestly would put a third Fahrenheit if I had one.
Why would I add more Fahrenheit? It's a weapon, I can only play one at a time. My opponent would run out of deflags/steals by the time they destroy both fahrenheits.
All right I see the contradiction. FAIL...
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112711#msg1112711
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2013, 11:47:46 am »
Currently you have 6/10 but I'd guess an excess of :light, if you switched to n/6 then you'd be able to generate the same amount of :fire quanta or perhaps even more with fewer pillars. That could free up room for some RE even before you up your quanta sources. It isn't helping me here that the QI calculator says that even with 10 pends the QI is still too low so a bit of experimentation probably wouldn't go amiss, although the advantage of unupped is that you have the classic firestall to rely on for help. (3rd one down in the link) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/duo-decks/pvp1-firestall/

As you can see that relies on 10 pends to fuel 3 miracles, so cutting down would almost definitely benefit you. I'd personally recommend running 8/6 with +2Rage, that may be a little too low so if it is try 9/6 with +1Rage and see how that benefits you.

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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1112835#msg1112835
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2013, 06:18:26 am »
Currently you have 6/10 but I'd guess an excess of :light, if you switched to n/6 then you'd be able to generate the same amount of :fire quanta or perhaps even more with fewer pillars. That could free up room for some RE even before you up your quanta sources. It isn't helping me here that the QI calculator says that even with 10 pends the QI is still too low so a bit of experimentation probably wouldn't go amiss, although the advantage of unupped is that you have the classic firestall to rely on for help. (3rd one down in the link) http://elementscommunity.org/forum/duo-decks/pvp1-firestall/

As you can see that relies on 10 pends to fuel 3 miracles, so cutting down would almost definitely benefit you. I'd personally recommend running 8/6 with +2Rage, that may be a little too low so if it is try 9/6 with +1Rage and see how that benefits you.
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1113707#msg1113707
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2013, 07:34:48 am »
I agree you should put in a third Farenheit. It's very powerful in a deck which stalls like this, so I think it's important to draw one fairly early.

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You'd be unlikely to draw all three too quickly, plus having a spare one in your hand will help you against Deflagration or Steal.
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1113875#msg1113875
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 04:06:04 am »
I agree you should put in a third Farenheit. It's very powerful in a deck which stalls like this, so I think it's important to draw one fairly early.

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You'd be unlikely to draw all three too quickly, plus having a spare one in your hand will help you against Deflagration or Steal.
So -1 Pillar +1 Farenheit?
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Re: Flaming Heal [Semi-Unnuped (on its way)] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52667.msg1114392#msg1114392
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2013, 09:40:10 am »
I'd consider -1 Deflagration, depends how helpful you think they are. I think 4 is a good amount because some decks may not use many Permanents, but that's balanced by your deck being 40 cards big.
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