Complete Lockdown (duo)

[yahoo123]

So, what? They kill one card. Big whoop. I doubt they can play any other card because you are technically quanta denying will reverse time. Although this deck has a low QI, guess what? They are use to power reverse time. No one can play rage pot or defag if their quanta is gone from having their creature being reversed.

Anyone with brains will save up a few creatures and use them in one go, while preventing u from playing more than 1 eternity with control cards. I rly doubt if u are using this deck.

[Dm]

Omgawd man, y are u posting such decks?
1. Unoriginal idea. Check out Jmdt's rifternity
2. Hourglasses> Precogs in this case.
3. Only 6 cards that can dmg the opponent is pretty fail man, you would probrably deck out b4 u kill the enemy.
4. No, ANY deck that packs CC will kill this.

1. I'm not about to go runnin' out and checking every deck possible and imaginary that may involve this idea. If JMDT made a equal deck, props to him, because his deck is probably more quanta balanced then mine and is probably better. I didn't see it anywhere, so I posted it.
2. It's a 30 card deck, Precogs literally make this a 25 card deck. Hourglasses take up space and are more expensive. Precogs > Hourglasses in this case.
3. Check out "EM Quanta Denial" and "A not-so-normal Vampire EM deck" or maybe even "Fire Roaster" of JMDT.
4. I don't see PVP packin' a lot of CC, do you?

@yahoo123

Dude, why would hourglass be better?... Its a 30 card deck and precog cost less than hourglass, plus you get the additional benefit of looking at your opponent's hand. How is that bad in pvp 1?
Dm121, I'm thinking you should add a few dejavu or no cost monster to prevent decking out.
You can only rewind your eternity once.

Yes, I'm about to add +1 Photon -1 Precog, or something along those lines. Deja-Vu is a good idea, though, as it could be used to rewind and double, thus making it a nice attacker. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the positive comment.

@yahoo123

Dude, why would hourglass be better?... Its a 30 card deck and precog cost less than hourglass, plus you get the additional benefit of looking at your opponent's hand. How is that bad in pvp 1?
Dm121, I'm thinking you should add a few dejavu or no cost monster to prevent decking out.
You can only rewind your eternity once.

The fact that there are only 6 cards that can get u going in this deck ( the 6 eternities) which means that you will need a LOT of cardraw if u get unlucky. The single card draw from precogs are'nt enough.In addition, this deck is already having too much towers.

You say u can see the enemy's hand. So what? Lets say there are like 2 deflags and 2 rage pots in their hand, so what are u going to do about it? THERES NOTHING U CAN DO ABOUT IT. (But only in this case, since this deck is a one-trick-pony.)

And the fact that Precogs make it only a 25 card deck isn't something to have shame on. Also, Precogs have less cost, as said when I commented on your first post. In addition, if you see, this deck NEEDS all those towers as we will have some slight failure in the part of eternity already costing 5, and rewind 3.

So what? I'm sorry, but if you can't see the advantage of watching your opponent's hand, you aren't exactly fit for strategy.

Let's put it in a practical way, shall we?

Situation 1. - I use a precog. My opponent has a Deflag. I wait another turn, and Play and Fly eternity ASAP. After that I drain his quanta by rewinding until he can't deflag, and then continue to hit him to a slow and painful death.

Situation 2. - I use a precog. My opponent has a Fire Bolt. I play the Eternity and then wait for a huge critter (Example, phoenix or Dragon). I rewind it. He plays it again, therefore not having much quanta. I then fly my eternity and throw another one. One of these two happen-

A- He throws the dragon and my eternity is still alive, therefore I keep rewinding until he dies
B- He tries to Firebolt, but I still have a eternity in my weapon slot, so I rewind his dragon anyway.

You can't just hope to kill all eternities off, they always come back right at ya.

So, what? They kill one card. Big whoop. I doubt they can play any other card because you are technically quanta denying will reverse time. Although this deck has a low QI, guess what? They are use to power reverse time. No one can play rage pot or defag if their quanta is gone from having their creature being reversed.

Anyone with brains will save up a few creatures and use them in one go, while preventing u from playing more than 1 eternity with control cards. I rly doubt if u are using this deck.

Yes, but no one with brains go with a deck to counter a rewind only deck, they're more concentrated on rushin' the butter out of you. And anyone with "Brains" playing this deck would notice playing eternity is the top priority ; I'd rewind all his critters, even if it took me several turns, and then kill him slowly.

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Thinking about adding EQ. This deck was firstly purely made as a counter to Immo rush, but it also might be good against decks that are powered solely by Super Nova.

~~ On a different note, thanks to Nhan for helping me against deck out and for giving nice ideas.

[yahoo123]

1. Its YOUR job to check that u are not posting same deck ideas.
2. Ur deck has 6 cards out of thirty that are vital to ur strategy, and only 6 extra cardraw isn't enough.
3. Ur Black Hole/ Discord deck is pretty good, and I will give u credit for that. However, the situation is a bit different (Also in Jmdt's deck too). In Jmdt's deck, the dmg source is from Voodoo Dolls, which actually benefits u if it got removed. In the Black Hole/ Discord deck, u are squeezing ur opponents quanta out TOTALLY, and with decent deck speed. Sadly, in this deck, the speed is very unstable and the opponent can just wait for their own control to come up, while saving up creatures in their hand.



Just to say, ur "practical situations" aren't that practical. Ur opponent sees that u hv only eternities in the field and still plays a dragon, eh? And u can deny so much quanta that the opponent can't pay 2 quanta for a deflag?


And adding EQs just makes ur deck more similar to Rifternity.

[Dm]

1. Its YOUR job to check that u are not posting same deck ideas.
2. Ur deck has 6 cards out of thirty that are vital to ur strategy, and only 6 extra cardraw isn't enough.
3. Ur Black Hole/ Discord deck is pretty good, and I will give u credit for that. However, the situation is a bit different (Also in Jmdt 's deck too). In Jmdt's deck, the dmg source is from Voodoo Dolls, which actually benefits u if it got removed. In the Black Hole/ Discord deck, u are squeezing ur opponents quanta out TOTALLY, and with decent deck speed. Sadly, in this deck, the speed is very unstable and the opponent can just wait for their own control to come up, while saving up creatures in their hand.



Just to say, ur "practical situations" aren't that practical. Ur opponent sees that u hv only eternities in the field and still plays a dragon, eh? And u can deny so much quanta that the opponent can't pay 2 quanta for a deflag?


And adding EQs just makes ur deck more similar to Rifternity.

1. Nope, it's not my job. I never said it is my job. I can read and screenshot all this thread and there is not a single place where I or anyone for that matter said it's my job to search through 57 pages of Duo Trio or Quartet decks to see if I can post a deck idea.
2. You'd be surprised. It's enough, because you are BOUND to get at least 1 or 2 of those cards in starting hand. If we don't, we use precogs to get it ASAP.
3. Thanks. I'd like to make a fairly big piece of text, so bear the burden with me D:

The situation is not different. The only difference is that EM Quanta Denial Heals me. I was comparing the ATTACK. You said I only have 6 attackers, and in the other deck I have 7, each with less attack then eternity. In Voodoo Doll we also have 4 attackers only, and we need to pull off a deadly combo to hit it. Therefore, I was comparing the attackers, and not the speed/balance of the deck. EM Quanta Denial was a deck I worked a lot to quanta balance and to speed up.

I'd also like to note EM Quanta Denial is a modified Discord/Black Hole. So technically it's a similar deck, just like this deck compared to Rifternity. If you don't call EM Quanta Denial a close deck to the Classic BH/Discord deck, I call this deck not close to Rifternity.

Yes, in the other one, I'm squeezing my opponent's quanta out Totally. In this one, I'm not only stopping his draws, therefore making him stick with his own hand (If he has no deflags by the time I keep rewinding, there's nothing he can do). So Precog Helps there, using clever strategy. He keeps coming back at you, but you keep squeezing it back at him.

What you didn't notice is that eternity is literally sticking him with his own draw. For example, if he used a lot of critters, I would rewind the strongest one first and rewind the weakest one for last, so he CAN'T draw anything else. That's the strenght of this deck that you aren't seeing very well, this deck not only squeezes the quanta away but also takes and abuses the "Bad Hands".

[yahoo123]

1. Nope, it's not my job. I never said it is my job. I can read and screenshot all this thread and there is not a single place where I or anyone for that matter said it's my job to search through 57 pages of Duo Trio or Quartet decks to see if I can post a deck idea.
2. You'd be surprised. It's enough, because you are BOUND to get at least 1 or 2 of those cards in starting hand. If we don't, we use precogs to get it ASAP.

1. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17330.0.html
Someone needs to read the first few lines.
2.The thing is, if u don't get it in the first 2 turns, u are screwed.
3. Well, u got me wrong there again. This deck is intended for PVP,right? Anyone thats not new to elements will just hold up their hand and stop u from messing up their draws.

And Im saying that Ur other deck IS similar to Black Hole/ Discord decks. It does not give ur opponent to defend themselved. I can, however, destroy this deck by not playing any creatures b4 I destroy ur eternities.

[Dm]

1. Nope, it's not my job. I never said it is my job. I can read and screenshot all this thread and there is not a single place where I or anyone for that matter said it's my job to search through 57 pages of Duo Trio or Quartet decks to see if I can post a deck idea.
2. You'd be surprised. It's enough, because you are BOUND to get at least 1 or 2 of those cards in starting hand. If we don't, we use precogs to get it ASAP.

1. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17330.0.html
Someone needs to read the first few lines.
2.The thing is, if u don't get it in the first 2 turns, u are screwed.
3. Well, u got me wrong there again. This deck is intended for PVP,right? Anyone thats not new to elements will just hold up their hand and stop u from messing up their draws.

And Im saying that Ur other deck IS similar to Black Hole/ Discord decks. It does not give ur opponent to defend themselved. I can, however, destroy this deck by not playing any creatures b4 I destroy ur eternities.

1. Indeed, someone needs to read the first few lines.

"If your deck idea is allready in the forum, please post your tweak/different version there."

"please post your tweak/different version there."
" tweak/different version"

Noticed? It isn't rifternity, so it's not like it's my job to not post this deck.  And I hope you read, that it isn't my job, it's a plus I didn't notice. I said it wasn't my JOB, I never said I shouldn't do it. I also never said this deck IS rifternity, you're the one who said it was close. You're contradicting yourself, please read your posts more carefully before posting a new one..

2. Not seriously. With precog, 2 turns might mean 2-3 draws or more. Therefore I'm not literally screwed, I can wait for the third forward to post it. Why hurry? I can rewind the whole board.

3. More walls of text.. or maybe not. But prepare yourself anyway.

Yes, this deck is intended for PVP. But not everyone in PVP1 is a pro, and some newbs will do it. They, pro or newbie alike will be BOUND to hold their hands. I'll keep rewinding them anyway, so how not to hold it? After he dumps his whole hand anyway, I can always rewind everything and he sticks with.. nothing or near to nohing. So I mess up their draws anyway, no matter the strategy they use.

And there was no wall of text =P

[yahoo123]

1. Indeed, someone needs to read the first few lines.

"If your deck idea is allready in the forum, please post your tweak/different version there."

"please post your tweak/different version there."
" tweak/different version"

Noticed? It isn't rifternity, so it's not like it's my job to not post this deck.  And I hope you read, that it isn't my job, it's a plus I didn't notice. I said it wasn't my JOB, I never said I shouldn't do it. I also never said this deck IS rifternity, you're the one who said it was close. You're contradicting yourself, please read your posts more carefully before posting a new one..

2. Not seriously. With precog, 2 turns might mean 2-3 draws or more. Therefore I'm not literally screwed, I can wait for the third forward to post it. Why hurry? I can rewind the whole board.

3. More walls of text.. or maybe not. But prepare yourself anyway.

Yes, this deck is intended for PVP. But not everyone in PVP1 is a pro, and some newbs will do it. They, pro or newbie alike will be BOUND to hold their hands. I'll keep rewinding them anyway, so how not to hold it? After he dumps his whole hand anyway, I can always rewind everything and he sticks with.. nothing or near to nohing. So I mess up their draws anyway, no matter the strategy they use.

And there was no wall of text =P

1. Certainly u fall in to the "different version" category.
2.Thats because ur opponent will kill u first.
3. So what can u do if I just discard and heal? U will just deck out urself ( with the precogs and I destoying some of ur eternities)

[Dm]

1. Indeed, someone needs to read the first few lines.

"If your deck idea is allready in the forum, please post your tweak/different version there."

"please post your tweak/different version there."
" tweak/different version"

Noticed? It isn't rifternity, so it's not like it's my job to not post this deck.  And I hope you read, that it isn't my job, it's a plus I didn't notice. I said it wasn't my JOB, I never said I shouldn't do it. I also never said this deck IS rifternity, you're the one who said it was close. You're contradicting yourself, please read your posts more carefully before posting a new one..

2. Not seriously. With precog, 2 turns might mean 2-3 draws or more. Therefore I'm not literally screwed, I can wait for the third forward to post it. Why hurry? I can rewind the whole board.

3. More walls of text.. or maybe not. But prepare yourself anyway.

Yes, this deck is intended for PVP. But not everyone in PVP1 is a pro, and some newbs will do it. They, pro or newbie alike will be BOUND to hold their hands. I'll keep rewinding them anyway, so how not to hold it? After he dumps his whole hand anyway, I can always rewind everything and he sticks with.. nothing or near to nohing. So I mess up their draws anyway, no matter the strategy they use.

And there was no wall of text =P

1. Certainly u fall in to the "different version" category.
2.Thats because ur opponent will kill u first.
3. So what can u do if I just discard and heal? U will just deck out urself ( with the precogs and I destoying some of ur eternities)

1. Glad we took that outta the way.

2. What? If you have a 3 ttw deck, then congratulations. If you don't, you can't kill me by turn 3. You can try to start, but you won't unless you are using poison.

3. You can't get any other cards after I do the lock down! I do the lock down and you can't get anything else! If you try to get me to deck out you can't, because Nhan alerted me of that problem and I took 2 deja-vu's for attack and anti deck-out! Not only that, but if you hold your cards and dump them I'll just throw them back at you! Not only that but you might discard important cards to your late-game or deck! There's nothing you can do after I do the lock-down except trying to kill me in one turn. And there is no 8 cards that can do that, bring someone from 100 hp down to 0. Max we can get is 12x6 because Crimson Dragon is the highest attacker un upped critters at 12 attack!

[lokiburn4]

This is a nice deck. I was messing around with something similar a while back.

To all the critics: take a breath! There is NO perfect deck. This one will do it's job well.

Quints will mess up your day... but with 8hp on the flying eternity you dont have to worry about CC so much, even if they have firebolts, or whatever.