Post by: Sorathor on July 11, 2014, 03:27:13 pm
The idea is simple: Keep the enemies Quanta low, absorb some dmg with SoF + Gravity Pull while SoV reduces enemies HP to 1.
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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55t 55t 568 568 56i 56i 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5up 5ur 5us 5vi 5vi 5vi 5vi 744 7t6 8ptI'd use at least one more SoV for the steals if I had more.
The deck works quite ok vs. AI3, but is obv a bad farmer since TTW are somewhere about 17. I could imagine this in PVP too with some tweeks, but I dont play PvP myself so I'm not going to test it there.
Cons:
Problems I faced most are too heavy CC and the extremely slow start. You can't do much before turn 3, which is terrible for a Quanta denial. The whole matchup is quite fragile, you cant really recover from losing more than 1 copy of any creature.
PC another thing to be careful about. I didnt have any problems here so far, but you have to keep an eye on enmies mana.
Pros:
If you get the whole thing started, the enemy cant do very much more. The dmg you deal can only be healed with SS or SoD.
I didnt find any similar decks with Gravity, so I decided to share it here.
Suggestion are very welcome.
Post by: dark ripper on July 11, 2014, 06:18:41 pm
Post by: Sorathor on July 11, 2014, 06:54:17 pm
I went like 20/3 with the losses being against fire (5 rage pots in first 7 turns), Dune scorpion and Gravity( with Momentum being the only really scary ability).
Matches against light/air rush and rainbow rush were actually the easiest.
I know the setup takes too long to be a strong deck, but holding the enemy on zero quanta is quite a good cc.
SoF with gravity pull absorbs 15dmg each turn, so the opponent must bring out much early on to overcome this.
Edit: Some quick stats against AI3 17/3, 11/17 EM. Nothing outstanding but not too bad for a fun deck.
Post by: omegareaper7 on July 11, 2014, 09:03:43 pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/duo-decks/read-this-before-posting-38682/ Also, read this and fix your post.
Post by: Espithel on July 12, 2014, 03:50:14 pm
>THE< most important thing in quanta denial is speed.
I'll try and make some fixes in the trainer, one moment...
Post by: dragtom on July 12, 2014, 09:41:15 pm
4 SoV's are often not enough to get your opponent's HP down low enough.
While :darkness quanta would not be a problem in the long run, you want to get out devourers ASAP.
You do not need 4 steals; while you could use them, they may be better of with other stuff.
Actually, keep the drain life; it will allow you to kill the opponent in case of bone wall/wings/dims (better than steal because bone wall).
2 amber nymphs are not enough to keep a lock.
Post by: Espithel on July 12, 2014, 09:52:45 pm
Nightmare gives a bit more lockdown.
If you can get just ONE darkness pillar turn 1, that dramatically helps you so much it's a bit scary.
Post by: omegareaper7 on July 12, 2014, 10:46:43 pm
I highly recommend dusk mantle over drain life.drain life is there so shields can't stop you cold.
>THE< most important thing in quanta denial is speed.
I'll try and make some fixes in the trainer, one moment...
Post by: Espithel on July 12, 2014, 10:48:36 pm
And it deals... more damage on average, if my testing's right. I'll have to get the deck prepared again.
Post by: Espithel on July 12, 2014, 11:25:55 pm
This seems to work better.
Dusk blocks damage,
More voids,
SoFo does steal's job just fine,
getting a single obsidian pillar out turn one is a godsend.
Post by: theelkspeaks on July 13, 2014, 12:11:14 am
This seems to work better.
Dusk blocks damage,
More voids,
SoFo does steal's job just fine,
getting a single obsidian pillar out turn one is a godsend.
probably better to have pends over duo pillars.
Post by: Espithel on July 13, 2014, 02:27:31 am
Pendulums wouldn't allow me to get out devourers turn 2.
Duo pillars do.
Post by: Sorathor on July 13, 2014, 03:19:19 am
Dusk Mantle might be better, if the enemy manages to bring serious dmg out, since the dmg reduce is relative and SoF is fixed. I prefer SoF in most cases but I'm gonna test this variant some more.
Nightmare is a nice idea for the early game, I will definitely try that. Might be a dead card in lategame, but when you reach lategame, you should have won anyway.
I agree on the extra voids, I simply dont own them as claimed in the opener.