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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg538967#msg538967
« Reply #132 on: September 04, 2012, 08:44:14 am »
Swapped 3 QPs for novas. Got the combo out much faster, but with BE, couldn't keep up a reliable quanta supply. Next time I'll just use the SN version >.>

Today oracle gave me dreamcatcher on my alt. My alt had upped supernovas so i gave this deck a shot.
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It was relatively smooth win. I used one of the BB on his early BE'd abomination which let me accumulate enough aether quanta later on. This deck doesn't really mean much for the sake of the discussion since it has 6 ups but i felt like keeping a record of it here anyway.
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg539256#msg539256
« Reply #133 on: September 05, 2012, 12:49:11 pm »
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This deck makes good of DC's rainbow quanta. More pillars than you think you need because of all of DC's quanta control (In my opinion, the worst is the BE's.)

EDIT: Dune scorp version

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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg539410#msg539410
« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2012, 05:09:05 am »
Swapped 3 QPs for novas. Got the combo out much faster, but with BE, couldn't keep up a reliable quanta supply. Next time I'll just use the SN version >.>

Today oracle gave me dreamcatcher on my alt. My alt had upped supernovas so i gave this deck a shot.
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It was relatively smooth win. I used one of the BB on his early BE'd abomination which let me accumulate enough aether quanta later on. This deck doesn't really mean much for the sake of the discussion since it has 6 ups but i felt like keeping a record of it here anyway.
Wow. That deck looks much more smooth, and since I have 6 SNs (I assume most people do), it looks like what I'll be using vs dream catcher from now own.

Edit: mmnope. One pillar draw and early pest makes this hard as well as RNG troll. Next time I'll probably just run splat vs dream catcher.
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg540895#msg540895
« Reply #135 on: September 10, 2012, 08:49:29 pm »
I didn't have enough :time quanta to keep rewinding for the first deck in the post.

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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg541885#msg541885
« Reply #136 on: September 14, 2012, 04:42:21 pm »
Lost hardcore with one of the featured deck.
Early discord is not scary, it is a hard counter when it doesn't allow you to play SN.
I think that against discord, the QT ratio should be higher and protect artifact somthing to consider.

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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1009004#msg1009004
« Reply #137 on: October 18, 2012, 10:06:24 pm »
Today oracle gave me dreamcatcher on my alt. My alt had upped supernovas so i gave this deck a shot.
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Used a variant of this with many more upgrades. Had to discard two BBs early because of pests and a black hole not letting me play supernovas. Psion from fate egg didn't help. 0-3 with it now.

You need tremendous luck to consistently beat dream catcher with a supernova/voodoo deck. Probably going to try novas and earth mark from now on.
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1009592#msg1009592
« Reply #138 on: October 21, 2012, 01:53:44 pm »
Came up with this:

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This deck makes good of DC's rainbow quanta. More pillars than you think you need because of all of DC's quanta control (In my opinion, the worst is the BE's.)

EDIT: Dune scorp version


This deck did the trick. Thanks very much  to the OP. Great unupped deck for Dream Catcher.

Save your Blessing and Dune scorpion so you can play them on the same turn. All it takes is one sting from your scorpion and Dream Catcher will kill himself on Neurotoxin. Save the Black Holes until he plays SN to maximize your healing.

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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1010321#msg1010321
« Reply #139 on: October 24, 2012, 02:17:18 pm »
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1012037#msg1012037
« Reply #140 on: October 31, 2012, 09:39:22 am »
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1012170#msg1012170
« Reply #141 on: November 01, 2012, 03:59:55 am »
Can someone test both my counters again?
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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1012930#msg1012930
« Reply #142 on: November 04, 2012, 02:36:24 pm »
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has worked perfectly 4/4 last tries. Anth's seal of approval!

Good deck. Takes forever to get enough quantum for the Jade Shield though.

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Re: Oracle : Dream Catcher https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9594.msg1016037#msg1016037
« Reply #143 on: November 16, 2012, 02:17:38 pm »
I've never really found a good reliable counter to dream catcher, until today.  With the heavy creature control, butterfly effects, and denial, it's hard to find something that can stand up to every aspect of dream catcher.  However, the one weakness dream catcher has is a fairly slow (but steady) damage output.  I built the following deck for my oracle prediction and completely roflstomped dreamcatcher.  The problem is that the deck is definitely NOT newbie-friendly, as you will see... but I'll post it anyway because it works, and maybe it will somehow inspire a more newbie-attainable deck.

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So yeah, drop an immortal vampiric monster shard golem and go to town.  Dreamcatcher can't CC it, and you'll heal a bunch of hp every turn, which will probably be more than his damage output.  All his CC/PC will be dead cards.  I made two serious mistakes in the one game I've played, and I still won, so I definitely think it will work most games.  (mistake #1: playing a second unquinted golem, which was antimattered later by a purple nymph, and mistake #2: playing shard of wisdom on a vampiric golem, because it no longer heals you)  Given that I won through both those mistakes, I think the deck has huge potential as a counter, it's just not very easy to make and so doesn't really deserve a spot on the opening page, since this is more for newbies.  Still, the deck works, so if you want it, be my guest.  (I thought about using SoSas, but they'd screw with the mulligan, and you need your novas)

 

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