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Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1007431#msg1007431
« on: October 13, 2012, 03:03:14 pm »
It's time too gather your thoughts as you look back fondly on the warm memories you have from Draft III; like how you crafted a cohesive team unit and worked together to achieve your goals.
  • What did you enjoy about this event?
  • What improvements would you like to see for next time?
  • What were the factors in your teams success or failures?
  • What strategic advice would you give to future draft teams?


Spoiler for De-classified Titanpads, Bottom 4 Teams:

Spoiler for Team Barack Obama:
Welcome to the Draft III headquarters of Team Barack Obama! We will use this board to plan our draft choices and deck building.

Double Pick 1:
WE SELECTED DEVOURER AND FRACTAL!!

Double Pick 2:
WE SELECTED NYMPH'S TEARS AND FLYING WEAPON!!

Double Pick 3:
WE SELECTED PURIFY AND BLACK HOLE!!

Double Pick 4:
WE SELECTED SILENCE AND RAIN OF FIRE!!

Double Pick 5:
WE SELECTED TITAN, CATAPULT AND ACCELERATION!!

Quadruple Pick:
WE SELECTED HORNED FROG, FOREST SCORPION, NIGHTFALL AND PHASE DRAGON!!

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43311.0.html Draft list, teams, and standings

DECKBUILDING:
Major decks:
Devtal Silence build?
Frogtal
Scorptal
Mono-Water Rush build?
Catatitan build
Mono-Aether? (Phase Dragons and Spiders, Silence)

Spoiler for Team Ronald Raegan:
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Nenzuru Corn Bread: Gone

Coffee Vannila Iced Chocolate: Gone

Muzic of the day:
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Massively NSFW but hillarious:


Logo:
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Draft: the first pickz

Polk: Discord, Reverze Time, Pheonix, Sanctuary, Fire bolt, Owl'z Eye, Unstable Gas,
        Abomination, Purple Dragon, Arctic Squid, Toadfish, Fahren, Trident,  Liquid Shadow,
        Freeze
Taft: Dimenzional Shield, Ghozt of the Pazt, Fractal, Nightmare, Poizon, Parallel Univerze,
       Vampire Stiletto, Phaze Dragon, Forest Spirit, Heal, Cruzader, Golden Hourglazs,
 .     Gargolye, Cloak
Lincoln: Nova, Graboid, Zhockwave, Pulverizer, Wingz, Zundial, Antimatter,
        .Lychanthrope, Basiliks Blood, Stone Skin, Iridium Warden, Gravity Pull, Plate Armor,
         Gravity Shield
Raegan: Black Hole, Steal, Devourer, Mitozis, Adrenaline, Eternity, Fog Zhield, Rage Pot,
             Acceleration, Voodoo Doll, Black Dragon, Froggeh, Emphatic Bond, Dusk Mantle,       
             Sapphire Charger
Nixon: Arzenic, Lightning, Bonewall, Miracle, Flying Weapon, Mummy (not for you taft),
          Titan, Pandemonium, Emerald Dragon, Devonian Dragon, Pzion, Armagio, Catapult,
          Rustler, Druidic Staff
Buzh:  Deflag, Nymph Tearz, Earthquake, Fire Zhield, Enchant Artifact, Purify, Immolation,
           Lobotomizer, Rain of Fire, Mind Flayer, Lava Golem, Momentum, Dune Scorpion,
           Forest Scorpion, Mutation,


MATCHUPS

Coffee vs Jenkar (Lincoln) - PlayerOa (Roosevolt) - ddevans96 (Taft)
nensuru vs regen2k9 (Kennedy) - mrpaper (Jackson) - 10man (Polk) - summerz88 (Nixon)
dracomageat vs RootRanger (Carter) - bpculture (Bush) - thispersonisagenius (Obama) -
                    vs bjessee (Harisson)

XXXXXXX THESE DECKS ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO USE ANY DECK YOU WANT TO XXXXXX


RR Decks:

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z355vz55625uoz15utz55v0zA6068pl
(Acelerated Voodoo)

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Adrena Mercenary

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25c6z55c9z25ulz55umzB6068pn
(Devtosis)

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25c6zF5de5oez15ogz55ojz15op8pr
(Skyblitz FFQ)

---Polk--- 

-> We dont have any cc that can stop their phoenixes (accell/LS?)
-> Adrena is a solid pick agains Freeze but it gets countered by reverse time, Toadfish and
    Liquid shadow
-> All our damage come from creatures, they can try to counter that via cc/stalls
-> We have two good shields against discord and fahren(fog, dusk, they maybe not use
    these card against us

-Deck options:
Obs: These decks are just prototypes and will need further testing

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(Mono life)


---Taft---

-> Ghostmare is weakened, so it has less chance to happen
-> They have 0 cc

Deck options:

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25c6z55c9z25ulz55umzB6068pn
(Devtosis)

---Lincoln---

(Mono Water)

---Nixon--

-> Tons of cc

Deck options:

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(Mono Earth)

---Bush---

...Nothing to see here...

Spoiler for Team William Howard Taft:
Ladies, Gentlemen, and Plastiqe, I welcome you...

This is Taft. Elegance. Style. Ultimate tactics and immaculate posture.
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[ IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5AocB.png[/img][ card]**CARDNAME**[/card][ IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0RO5N.png[/img]
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Our effort to match the grandeur of this remarkable man (meagre, perhaps..) reveals itself as an arsenal of decks whose passion in origin mimic that of W. H. Taft's toward both domestic and international policy.

Our struggle, too, cries reminiscient of his, for we find ourselves facing not four, not eight, but Eleven opponents. Taft himself competed against two other Presidential Candidates in the 1912 election.

And we shall hold ourselves to the very same motto: that of Progessivism! The Grab-bow, the Bone-Bolt, the Dev-tal, and the Fire-Stall are all powerful decks in their own right, but they are relics of a forgone generation - relics from 1.30 and before. We seek to bring new blood into the version that is 1.31, and if we must litter the battlefield with the corpses of our opponents to do so, then so be it.

Drafting
Strictly Reserved for Our Use: Bone Dragon, Poison, Forest Spirit, Heal, Crusader, Golden Hourglass, Ghost of the Past, Vampire Stilleto, Gargoyle, Nightmare, Cloak, Parallel Universe, Dimensional Shield, Phase Dragon, Fractal

Opening Round
ddevans96 vs. Odii Odsen(), Junkers(), nensuru()
Laxadarap vs. inthisroom(), vagman13(), Coffeeditto(), Scaramanga()
YawnChainHow vs. Jenkar(), blahs15(), Alorx()

Group Round
ddevans96 vs. Coffeeditto(), regen2k9(), Junkers(), bjessee()
Laxadarap vs. vagman13(), PlayerOa(), jumpingbeans()
YawnChainHow vs. dragondemesne(), nilsieboy(), inthisroom(), summerz88()

Appointed Justices
Lurton, Horace Harmon "The Oldest Appointed"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z94vcz24voz44vqz452hz252lz552v8pj
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Hughes, Charles Evans "Favoring Regulation Over Individual Rights"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z74sa4vq52nz355rz156058q58u5c05f35i65lb5od5okz15rh5unz161tz163a8pl
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White, Edward Douglass "Monopoly is Not Inherently Illegal"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z55lfz95mq5oe5opz95puz35rl8ps
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Van Devanter, Willis "Proponent of Limited Government"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=zB5l8z45laz25ldz15lhz25mqz46218pu
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Lamar, Joseph Rucker "From Even Indecision to Unanimous Opinion"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=zG4sa52h55o56058r5f25idz15lf5opz45rlz361tz763a8ps
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 52h 55o 560 58r 5f2 5id 5lf 5lf 5op 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rl 61t 61t 61t 61t 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 8ps

Pitney, Mahlon "Supporter of Substantive Due-Process Juriprudence"
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z45lfz65mqz15rgz45riz55t2z461r8pu
5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5rg 5rg 5ri 5ri 5ri 5ri 5ri 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 8pu


An In-Depth Analysis of All Credible Threats to Our Administration

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Spoiler for Team George W. Bush:
Welcome to your Draft III headquarters.  Use this area to plan your drafting stratetgy and deck choices.  Good luck and have fun!

All right guys, what do we want with our early picks?

Food

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Okay, Nympho Tears is on the board, would love that as pick #2

I'd like everyone to do a depth chart of say the top 10 cards they'd like, here's mine

#1 Deflag (or) Steal / #2 Nymphs Tears / #3 Rev Time / #4 Graboid / #5 Devourer / #6 Lightning Bolt / #7 Titanium Shield / #8 Stone Skin / #9 Earthquake / #10 Purify

Mine will based on how many rounds this will go and if it is drafting twice or two drafts of six teams... let me know when you find out more

All the teams are divided into one of two sides (First and Second).  Teams in the First Draft are picking cards against eachother and teams in Second Draft are picking cards against eachother.
~plastiqe

Before anything other: Which deck can we make (Mono, Duo, Trio and Rainbow)?
More elements means less speed.

Ok, if we choose a card to draft it's good to consider that nobody other will have it, so for me we must choose a smart card to fight.
I'd choose:

>>> Ideas, not in order
Steal (very smart)
Nymph's Tears (with Rainbow and Water desk should be very powerful)
Immolation (for Mono Fire is perfect)
Black Hole (against Rainbow decks)
Maxwell's Demon (against attack creatures)
Antimatter (against attack creatures)
Nova (free quantas)
Parallel Universe
Devourer (nice for Dark Mono)
Fate Egg (sometimes there are powerful creatures. as Nymphs)
Firefly Queen (if you want a Firefly farm, but I think could be too slow)
Luciferin (universal extra-life)
Purify (against Poison, Arsenic and so on)
Steam Machine (reaches big attack very fast)
Deflagration
Earthquake (against pillars)
Emphatic Bond (if you have lots of creatures)
Armagio (gravity pull)
Aflatoxin
Reverse Time (against overpowered creatures)

Great comments, I agree with you on a lot of cards you like. I think we have to go rainbow, since mono-duo relies on getting the specific cards you want from that element. Nymphs tears lets us have a 2nd deck that can be changed easily - add gravity pillars and we have black hole nymphs, add entropy pillars and we have anti-matter nymphs etc. We can use that deck, then switch back to our rainbow. If we do go rainbow, I prefer cheap quanta cards with lots of punch; like graboid, lycanthrope, etc.

Nova is a great card as you mentioned, I'm a little nervous about immolation though, since I've never built a good winning immo-deck.

I just read that the draft goes 15 rounds, so let's start thinking about good mid-round picks too. We can't just take random cards we like, the deck needs to work efficiently. Some cards on Alorx's list that I don't like (not saying we can't take them - fate egg (too random - and a bit slow) FFQ (also too slow unless you build the right deck) unupgraded anti-matter (takes forever and usually isn't decisive) Steam Machine (seems slow to me, although they are tough with purify) Aflatoxin (very risky play) - just my comments, doesn't mean I'm 100% against taking these cards.

Alorx, can you organize your list into a depth chart for the top 10 cards you want in order of importance? I'm thinking steal/delfag has to be #1.


I'm experimenting with mindgate at the moment, very powerful... try this deck if you get the time:
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Ach, nevermind, just got humiliated by an FFQ/hope deck

We're drafting 6th - Discord is the first card chosen, let's hope someone else takes black hole. If we can't get steal or deflag, we should seriously consider enchant artifact or earthquake. Deflag went #1 in the other draft, we can rest assured it will be gone when we pick. Should nymphs be our #1?
Picking 6th has the advantage of getting two picks in a row with the snake drafting format.  You should aim to post pick #6 and pick #7 at the same time.  There is not a 12h window between them.
~plastiqe

I've been really dominating with nymphs in pvp, but deflag is absolutely necessary

Once we make our pick in the #6 slot, we should take our time with pick 7. I don't want a disadvantage, like if we pick 2 cards, including Nymph Tears, then later find out it's off the board. I was told by plastique that it's in play, but the forum says something abotu nymphs banned period.
Nymph cards (Purple Nymph, Auburn Nymph etc) are banned.  Nymph Tears is not banned.
~plastiqe

We're going  to need denial protection - I'm starting to think Earth - Light, with enchanted sancturaies might keep us going pretty well. I'm going to start experimenting, but nymph should still be our top priority
 
 
Okay, we're coming up pretty quick. Nymph's Tears will be our pick if nobody objects. If Deflag is still on the board we go that route, and have a badass deck with only those two cards. If not, what do you guys want? Steal? Doesn't combine as well with Nymphs.... Get your top two up before we pick guys.


4 teams have chosen, and Nova and Black Hole are drafted :( .

I think using Nymph's Tears could be a great card, but would it fast enough? It takes 7 quantas. We could use a Rainbow-Water deck, but would it fast enough?
A nymph tears deck should be all water pillars you usually have enough for it by turn 2 or 3 max
ok, but we couldn't use other's nymph's skills. I think we also need Quantum pillars for that strategy

I you want to take it as first card I agree with you, for me this card can be treatable.

About the second, I'm considering taking Steal, because I think it works better than Deflag and has about the quite same cost (3 fire vs 4 dark).

Steal is great, but I've been testing nymph tears with fire,and deflag works well in there. The deck is 6x nymph tears, 3x deflag, 8 x fire pillar, 13 x water pillar and it's killing people in pvp1

If deflag is gone, we need to consider steal, but maybe not with nymph tears

I say we go for deflag / nymph tears too.. i have played with this deck and am winning in pvp1 quite a bit as well... after we get those two cards - go for all cards that will hurt us, like reverse, earthquake, dev, etc... followed by all low cost cards to prevent anyone from rushing us

Also just to mention that if we did Nymph / Steal deck, the ability of Dark Nymph is too slow to use for creature control

We're going to gamble that other people aren't targeting nymphs tears - since nymphs are banned. If deflag is gone - since steal doesn't work with tears, we should consider dev + fractal

Hey guys, the pick is in, it's arsenic. I'm going to plu gour picks of deflag and nymph tears, I know bpculture is in agreement. Alorx, are you on board with these picks as #1 and #2 for us?

Okay guys, with Nymph Tears and Deflag we have a complete deck only using those two cards. Purify will be a very nice addition, and if we can grab it we should asap. Otherwise, let's start thinking about what our back-up deck should do.

Alorx, a little bit about how this deck works... play your pillars asap. If you have 2 tears in your hand, and at least 2 fire pillars in play, bring out a fire nymph first (for creature control) then start spamming water nymphs every turn, using the nymph to create another one (cheaper cost - you wont need the rest of the tears - they are there just to ensure you get one out right away) once you get purify, cast it on a fire nymph, then have her rage up. Her HP will drop to 1, but she'll start healing immediately and you can rage her again in 2 turns. Don't do too much raging without purify until you're ready to go for the kill, or if you think you won't last that long. Nymphs are very tough and can take a lightning bolt or shockwave without dying, but once raged they are easy to kill. Once you're closing in on the kill, rage everyone up. Until then, the fire nymphs are there to kill enemy creatures. It's best to have at least 2 on the board, so you can use bpcultures method of destroying enemy pillars. Use your water nymph to turn an enemy pillar into a nymph, then kill her with 2 rages. Make sure you have enough quanta before giving your opponent a nymph like that, and only do it if it will cause them quanta lock in one element. This is a complete deck, we could play now. The rest of our cards are pure bonus.

Wow, cool method to destroy enemies' pillars.
The strategy of duo water/fire seems to be very clean, fast to do and funny.

Now I'd make a consideration, this desk is fast, but what about lobotomizers and other things that could damage nymphs?
I also thought about use some Aether Pillar for Immortal Nymphs, what do you think? (that could slow the desk so much, but protection is assured)

Deflag the lobos immediately, as for aether nymphs, that's the cool thing, we can change pillars every game, nobody knows what we'll bring to the table.

I'll be offline for the next 12 hours, we have to fumigate.... the draft is going [pretty fast but I'll definitely be back before our 12 horu time limit expires on picks 18 and 19. Right now I like purify, and maybe rev time, but not set on either of those. I'd be more apt to listen to you guys... a good shield would be nice too...

reverse is down
i go down for 12 hours at least, you can choose purify as next draw, but i'm not sure about the second.
My weapons: druidic staff, fahnenheit, trident, owl's eye (everything x1).

I thought about second choice: ice shield or mindgate or parallel universe (last 2 are for alternative strategy).

I love those choices.... Earthquake is also still on the board, would be good to lock that up.

BP wants to wait on purify, and start building a green rush deck.... thorn carapace is an automatic win vs teams without perm control - what do you think?

Although fire shield syncs up with our deflag nicely

Everyone put their top 3 cards available for the next two picks, in order.... we'll draft based on this.
#1 Fire Shield #2 Immolation #3 Earth Quake

I'm thinking... Earthquake, Thorn Caripice, Heal... not really sure.... scorpions and addrennaline?

I am thinking Immolation and Earthquake, 1 I think that team Polk is going to draft Immolation next and will stop them from their 1st build... Earthquake works against our Nymph deck and we can also build something cool with it in a cheap rainbow deck.

OKay Immo and Earthquake are the picks unless Alorx prefers something else...

I'm leaning toward purify over immo....
 Okay, my vote is purify + earthquake... waiting on Alorx shoot, talking myself out of purify, I do like firewall
 
 
I like your choices, we really need taking some permanent that controls creatures, because we are without it.
I've seen a little the situation of other teams and I'm a bit worried about team Reagan, as matter of fact they seem to build a quanta-destroing team with Devourers and Black hole, but I think it's solvable using some strategy as using some creature-controlling cards, like Firewall or Thorn Carapace (they're great because work also on untargetable creatures.

For me the first choice should be Purify, it's going nice with our Nymph desk.

I was thinking we might be able to wait on picking purify because other teams might not take it? I guess the way to look at our pick is what benefits us more?  If we are starting a new "type" of deck... EQ and firewall would be a good start to a new theme

Purify and Firewall also have nice synergy

Alorx... what cards (elements) do you have most of?

I'd take Earthquake,  reasons are two: 1)It gains us a permanent control 2)I think team Reagan could plan about it
I also like Firewall, it's nice with our Water/Fire desk and we need a creature control.
Purify could be ok, but we also should see what other teams will want taking.
So Earthquake and Firewall.


Okay lets do it, Firewall and EQ... Purify in next round

I'm on board, good picks... and we can always go mono-fire, or firestall with healing in the future

Alorx, are you having any luck with the nymph deck in PvP1?

Take a look guys
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43275.new.html#new
Great! Now we can plan next draw / experiment / discuss some other strategy.

I'm getting some extra money playing Nymph deck against cpu, i'll play PvP1 soon, I want better the desk.

I thought about permanent distruction, there are only these cards that destroy them (don't count SoF): Steal, Deflagration, Earthquake, Trident and Butterfly Effect, right?

Hey Alorx, I want to watch your next game, tell me your opponents name, and I'll pop in in spectate mode
Ok, i'll check the desk a moment and i'm here

Oracle gave me a Blue Nymph, lol.

Very nice when you get nymphs from the oracle, they are the one thing I don't have a complete set of
http://www.elementsthegame.com/spectate.html

Baby duty here, be back in a few

Trying some fireshield - earthquake decks, with stone skin, very necessary ....

I just want to throw my computer out the window... lost 10 in a row with nymph deck - usually dead before I draw a single tears - and people in pvp1 keep tauning me saying "you suck"

Just lost #11, opponent had no earth quanta, but got an enchanted owls eye on the board... lovin this

Rut roh

Let's take enchant artifact off the board as one of our picks and grab rage potion as creature control... what do you think? Or, if purify is still on the board... I'd take that with enchant.... I don't know here...

For me it's Ok Purify and Enchant Artefact this rounds.

Im starting to lean toward hourglass... goes great with tears in a 40 card deck, more quantum, more pillars, more nymphs

We're on the clock, unless anyone changes their vote, it's purify and enchant

Wow.... guys, try this combo for the nymph deck...
5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 8pp
It's blowing people up. Create only light nymphs (save your fire pendulums) to get your shield out, then just keep healing yourself. Game over quick if you can draw at least 3 nymph tears in the first half. You should EM quite a bit.

BP... can you build us an experimental deck using nymphs and hourglass? With tons of quantum pillars and any other elements you think will work? I need to find the right card count for it to work well. I've been trying it with 40 cards and 4 hourglasses, but maybe there's a better ratio.

If you use Mindgate with Quantum desk it also would be funny

I do like mindgate

What time do you think you will be on Junkers?  I have class and some meetings Tuesday 1730 Central Time

Should we think about taking pandemonium in the next round... it is something that will mess us up quite a bit... was just taken in the other draft

I'm more worried about mutation

Good point.. you know the rest =)
So what are we thinking for next round? Mitosis + Scorpion?  Mindgate? Hourglass?

Mitosis is gone... I'd love to have mindgate and hourglass
Have you tried that white nymph deck yet?

Let's grab immo, and maybe lava golem next round, what do you say? Hourglass hasn't worked for me in tests.


What about Steam Macchine? I think it's a nice card for Fire/Water Nimph desk, as support.
I also like Mindgate because you can use opponents' weapons against them (good for quantum deck).


ive got a really big deck =)
using red/blue/white/yellow   nymphs, can use steam and other growing creatures too

I'm starting to not like mindgate for our purposes just because it's very difficult to make it work without phase/shield and lightning, or devourer and steal. But I'm listening to your votes. I definitely want immolation, but if you guys like steam machine over lava golem I'm good with that...although doesnt match with immo.

So far:
Immo - 1 vote
Lava Golem - 1 vote
Steam Machine - 1 vote?
Mindgate - 1 vote

1 note about steam machines and lava golems, they are prone to reverse time, just like nymphs.

I like lava golems or fire spirits before steam machine... immo is something i think we should pick up for sure  so those are my votes... Immo, fire spirits, lava golems, steam machine, mindgate in that order

Steams are good, very resilient, but they might stick around - lava and immo wont be here long, as it's  a killer combo...

Alorx, I feel bad because we haven't gotten you your cards yet, but I'm talking to bpculture and it looks like we really need to stop anyone from getting lobotomizer. It completely shuts down nymphs. I know you don't have it, but we need to stop anyone else from using it. We'll try to pick up mind gate or steam next round. We've both had difficulty using the nymph deck in pvp when lobo comes out.

We should also take mind flayer asap...


No problems, you have done nice choice, lobotomizer is painful, so you neutralized it.
About Immolation, I'm not adverse: it makes fast fire quantas, so it's good for Fire Nymphs (that work really well against creatures), the only thing I don't understand is which creatures will you sacrifice.

Next round is x3 choice and the final is x4, that's nice!

Photons, sparks and gnomes are still available. If nobody drafts them we can use them, otherwise we'll take something in the last round. Next round we'll get your steam machine and mindgate, or lava golem if those aren't available. BP was talking about some green cards, the only green I want are thorn carapace and empathic bond, but they dont really fir what we're doing, except we can do green nymphs and adrenalize them.

Any thoughts with the upcoming three picks?  Junkers are you going to be on much the next few days?  How long will your visitor be in town?

Team Nixon looking at Pandebonium it looks like

Okay, here are my picks...
Mind Flayer, Hourglass, Mindgate, Lava Golem, Rain of Fire

If any of you guys also vote for any of those cards we'll grab them next round. Otherwise, I'm tempted to give Alorx whichever cards he absolutely needs at this point, since we've been making him wait on cards like Steam Machine.

I'm adding carapce, scorp and empathic bond to my list..... and momentum..... sheesh, I don't want much do I?

I'll get it whittled down here...
#1 Mind Flayer
#2 Lava Golem
#3 Momentum


Ok, from chosen cards I would take:
#1 Mindgate
#2 Rain of Fire
#3 Lava Golem / Steam Macchine (it's equal)
#4 Mindgate (I'm guessing one of these votes is for mind flayer?)
#5 Golden Hourglass

Okay seeing as Accell is gone... I am thinking
#1 Rain of Fire
#2 Mind Flayer
#3 Lava Golem
#4 Thorn Carapice
#5 Emp Bond
#6 Scorpion.... can I get more? =)

Okay, looks like based on our charts - it's mindflayer, rain of fire and lava golem...overall I think a very good combination for our water-earth-fire... steam machine might go undrafted, since nobody is building water-fire, I'm surprised that hourglass is still on the board, if it's there with our next pick we should nab it. I still think mindgate is tough to do without a block everything shield since it takes w while to get rolling.

It will be a while before we draft again, but here's my list as of right now: As usual, I keep rethinking cards I used to want...
#1 mutation
#2 heal
#3 hourglass

I don't think anyone will draft poseidon - but this version of the nymph deck has been doing very well for me..
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 593 593 593 594 594 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ic 5ic 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pm

next picks are our last 4, so make sure you put like 6 or so cards you want... I am still debating this... I wouldnt mind picking up 4 solid greens if they are available at the time

Yeah, I agree.... empathic bond is great in a green/blue nymph deck, although tough to get the quanta to bring it out. Heal is nice in rainbow, and I like scorps and carapace.

What is your strategy with the above deck... I dont have trident =/

Earthquake slows down the opponent, while earth nymphs freeze their creatures. You need to create a water nymph early because there are only 4 tears in the deck. If you get two nymphs out you can pretty much control the board and slowly chip away at their health, or you can spam nymphs from whatever pillars you have the most of.

What about building a firefly queen deck with our last 4 picks? I want to take mutation off the board, but we could draft any of these cards..
FFQ, Thorn Carapace, Hope, Rustler, Empathic Bond

About Nymphs, I didn't test this desk well, but try it:
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 5f0 5f3 5f4 5f5 5f6 5f6 5fc 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i7 5i9 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5l8 5le 5le 5le 61o 623 623 8pp

Looks like we're on deck. Just waiting on Team Nixon.
 I'm trying out your deck, although I took out cards we can't use, like Phoenix and Firebolt.
 
 Green cards are going fast, maybe we should take druidic staff, since it's a weapon you both have. And thorn carapace and scorp should work well with it.
 
 Momentum and Dune Scorp would also make a lot of sense...
 
 Damn, there goes our emp bond idea from last night.. heal is gone too... what were the other 3 green cards we were talking about... like you mentioned scorp isn't much of a threat to us  because we have creature control...
 
 If you can wait to make the pick till tomorrow AM that would be good... I will be back on at 5am CET
 
 Alorx what time zone are you in?
 I'm in Italy, so I'm UTC+1
 What about you two? If we want to meet online everyone we should see the most possible time.
 
Okay the 12 hour time limit for Nixon is coming up. I want to make our picks as soon as possible...
Here are my final votes
#1 Mutation
#2 Momentum
#3 Dune Scorpion

Home and on Skype... let me know when you are ready.... we have 4 picks

I like the idea of a scorp deck or even a cat / vulture deck

green nymphs with carapace and staff
5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c3 5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pp

Alorx, we're debating our final 4 picks here... basically we want to take out any cards we're afraid of (mutation) then get 3 cards that will help complete a nice rainbow deck... since nobody has purify, we're seriously considering heavy poison with momentum

getting ready to post the pick, bpculture has come around to my way of thinking... the picks are going to be green scorp, dune scorp, momentum and mutation if there are no objections

About mindgate.... I've been playing numerous games with mindgate and our cards... it just hasn't been working.

Here's the scorp deck
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vk 4vk 52l 52l 55q 55q 55q 55q 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5if 5if 5lc 5lc 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 8ps

We need to start working out our deck ideas vs different teams. I'm happy to get online and be the scout team - that means I'll build a deck that I think our opponents will use against us, and you guys can try different variations with our cards until you get something that wins consistently.

List any decks you're planning on using with our cards, and undrafted cards here...

Steaming Hot Bitches (the best and fastest kill of all the decks listed - just smoked a fractal devourer deck)
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ia 5ia 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8po

Lava Quake
58u 58u 58u 58u 593 593 593 593 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f8 5f8 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 8pm

Death Dames
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52l 52l 52l 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pp

Hot Nurses
5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 8pp

Coke Ho's
5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c3 5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pp

Shaky Girls
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 593 593 593 593 593 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pm



N.I.D. Nympho in Denial
55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 576 576 576 576 593 593 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pp

Sorry, i haven't had time in these days, I looked to Dune Scorpion + Momentum and they seems very nice to destroy everyone fast and poisonously.


I have been doing really well with this version of a Nymph Rush deck:
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8pp

Summerz88
55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5ri 5ri 5ri 5rj 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 7q0 7q0 7q0 7q0 8pl

Big Nymph Stall
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ii 5ii 5ii 8po

temp
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 593 593 593 593 593 593 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ii 5ii 5ii 8po

Desks that I used:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5i9 5i9 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pp (used in only 1 match, but worked better than others)
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5fa 5fa 5i9 5i9 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 8ps (used twice, killed by discord)
 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i9 5i9 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ia 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8po (used 3 times, didn't work as hoped)
 I've got the 3rd player to play against, I'll use same desks, maybe I'll try with light nymph.

Here are the decks that I used vs Taft
Steaming Hot Version 2.0
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f6 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 8po
It won 2 games, and had perfect speed/balance. The final game was won vs parallel universe, he was creating nymphs from his own pillars, with a PU's water nymph, I was doing the same thing to him, and rage potioning them. Before he knew it, he didn't have any pillars.

Immo Golem Rush w/Dragons
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm
This was an extremely fast kill, but needs tweaking based on opponent

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1008631#msg1008631
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 06:05:39 am »
Spoiler for De-classified Titanpads, Middle 4 Teams:

Spoiler for Team John F. Kennedy:
Draft III B: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43276.0.html
Draft III Teams: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43311.0.html

Our completed Decks so far: These decks are archetypes, made to be altered to suit the needs of your specific match:

For the rest of the pad, bold = top-tier deck, based on testing.

Pandebonium
4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 8pj

Stolen Bones Variant (stall-breaker)
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 542 5up 5up 5up 5up 5up 8pt

UTAlan's version of Stolen Bones (less stall-break, more all-around)
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52p 52p 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 5up 5up 5up 5up 8pt

Extra Quanta Pande Variant pwns denial

BonePot (w/ rage pot)
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 8po

Air + Fire Duo
5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5om 5om 5om 5om 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8po

w/ dragonflies: 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5of 5of 5of 5of 5om 5om 5om 5om 5om 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8po

Raging Dolls
5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 5uu 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 606 606 606 606 606 8po

LS Dragons
5od 5od 5od 5od 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 8pt

Steam Machines
5f0 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5ii 5ii 5ii 5ii 5ii 5ii 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8po

Mr.Blonde's "Fastest Mono Ai3 Farmer"
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

Death+Darkness Duo
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52r 52r 52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 8pt

Monodeath
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 8pk

Monodeath Rush Version
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

Speed Poison (Chrysaora)
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 8pp

Rush Version
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 8pp

Blessed Pegasus
5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lh 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5of 5of 8pr


Stallbow
Bonewall version
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 52p 52p 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 5c2 5c2 5c2 5fb 5fb 5up 5up 5up 623 623 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pk
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52p 52p 52r 52r 52r 5c2 5c2 5c5 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5rr 5up 5up 5up 623 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pk
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52p 52p 52r 52r 52r 5c2 5c5 5c5 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5up 5up 623 623 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pk
Ice shield version
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52p 52p 5c2 5c5 5c5 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5i9 5up 5up 623 63a 63a 63a 8pp
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vp 4vp 4vp 52p 5c2 5c2 5c2 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5i9 5up 5up 61o 61o 61u 61u 623 63a 8pp <-- Lobo mod
Dis Shield version
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vp 4vp 52p 52p 52p 5c2 5c2 5c5 5c5 5fb 5fb 5i8 5i8 5i8 5rr 5rr 5up 5up 623 623 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pj

Notes:  Our closest thing to a stall right now is pandebonium.  If we want to be more stall-y we could always try something with heal + thorn carapace Not sure if heal is enough, but there are indeed tons of CC available

Opponents
Note: Jackson can use reflective shield to counter our poison
Let's post notes on which deck we used and which deck they used.

Vineroz
RootRanger (Carter)
Game 1 = L, air/fire vs monoentropy
Game 2 = L, chry vs monoentropy
Game 3 = L, stallbow vs monoentropy (RNG)
hainkarga (Jackson)
Game 1 = L, stallbow vs momentum dragon
Game 2 = W, death/time vs pharaoh
Game 3 = L, stallbow vs pharaoh
Game 4 = L, LS dragon vs grabbow (mrpaper) 1 pend start
thispersonisagenius (Obama) : Wednesday GMT 14
Game 1 = L, LS dragon vs NT death
Game 2 = W, rushing chry vs catatitan (barely)
Game 3 = L, Pandebonium vs catatitan
Game 4 = W, stallow vs NT death
Game 5 = W, monodeath vs catatitan
bjessee (Harrison) : Wednesday GMT 2
Game 1 = W, ice shield stallbow vs mito golem, countered beautifully
Game 2 = W, rushing chry vs mito psion, too fast for him
Game 3 = L, pande/dis UG vs mito psion
Game 4 = L, rushing chry vs mito golem, wtf 5 heals
Game 5 = L, lobo stallbow vs mito golem, pande gave 3 RT, mindgate at last 4

Vangelios
Cheesy111 (Roosevelt) LOSS 0-3
majofa (Carter)
nilsieboy (Obama)

regen2k9:
PlayerOa (Roosevelt): WIN 3-0,
Game 1 = W, monodeath vs. monofire
Game 2 = W, monodeath rush version vs. firestall
Game 3 = W, monodeath vs. firestall

Annamall (Harrison): LOSS 0-3
Game 1 = L, UTA Stolen Bones vs. Mito Golem + heal stall (33-34 cards)
His heal chain outlasted my BoneWall chain.  I think I was only one turn off though.
Game 2 = L, UTA Stolen Bones vs. Mito Golem + heal stall (33-34 cards)
HORRIBLE draw.  One poison, one pend, 3 bone walls, one plague, one other card that I forget...plus no arsenic or 2nd poison until about turn 7-8.
Game 3 = W, Stallbow vs. Mito Psion
VERY close game.  Best game I've played in draft thus far

Onizuka (Jackson): WIN 3-0
Game 1 = W, BonePot vs. Pharaoh
Game 2 = W, Pandebonium vs. Pharaoh
Game 3 = W, Pandebonium vs. Pharaoh

Deck Ideas:
We should do testing vs. ALL the possible decks of our opponents before playing matches.  Xenotesting = BARE MINIMUM; 500 games minimum
http://elementscommunity.org/tools/xenocidius/simulator/

Regen's Matches:
Vs. PlayerOa (Roosevelt)
Decks:
Immogolem
5c1 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm
Firestall
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f5 5f5 5f5 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 8po
Monofire
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po
FFQ/Hope Stall
5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5ol 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pn
Air + Water Duo
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i7 5i7 5i7 5id 5id 5id 5id 5id 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 8pr

Vs. these decks:
Stolen Bones (DON'T USE)
vs. immogolem = 37.4%
vs. firestall = 57.7%
vs. monofire = 31.8%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 22.6%
vs. Air + Water duo = 84.9%
Pandebonium
vs. immogolem = 88.4%
vs. firestall = 46.1%
vs. monofire = 65.6%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 39.9%
vs. Air + Water duo = 99.8%
Monodeath
vs. immogolem = 80.2%
vs. firestall = 65.8%
vs. monofire = 64%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 68.8%
vs. Air + Water duo = 92.6%
Monodeath Rush Version
vs. immogolem = 55.2%
vs. firestall = 93%
vs. monofire = 35%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 95.4%
vs. Air + Water duo = 83.8%
Raging Dolls (DON'T USE)
vs. immogolem = 28.8%
vs. firestall = 61.6%
vs. monofire = 28.4%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 44.8%
vs. Air + Water duo = 8%
Speed Poison
vs. immogolem = 60%
vs. firestall = 98.4% <--possibly unreliable?
vs. monofire = 59.6%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 45.4%
vs. Air + Water duo = 97.8%
Speed Poison Rush Variant (USE MONODEATH RUSH INSTEAD)
vs. immogolem = 25.4%
vs. firestall = 96.4% <--possibly unreliable?
vs. monofire = 15.2%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 78.6%
vs. Air + Water duo = 73.6%
Forest Spirit Duo
vs. immogolem = 73.8%
vs. firestall = 9.8%
vs. monofire = 15.2%
vs. FFQ/Hope = 78.6%
vs. Air + Water duo = 73.6%

Vs. Annamall (Harrison)
Decks:

PU Dragons
5la 5la 5la 5la 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 63a 63a 8pu
Earth EQ Domin
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58s 58s 58v 58v 58v 591 591 591 591 591 591 593 593 593 593 8pl
Adrenavamps
5c4 5c4 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5v2 5v2 5v2 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8pn
Earth Stall
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58s 58s 58s 58v 58v 58v 593 593 593 593 593 593 594 594 594 594 594 594 596 596 596 596 596 596 8pl
SS + Dim Stall
594 594 594 594 594 594 596 596 596 596 596 596 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pm
Mono Aether
61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 625 625 625 625 625 625 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pu

Vs. These Decks
Monodeath
PU Dragons = 63.6%
Earth EQ Domin = 82%
Adrenavamps = 42.6%
Earth Stall = 92.4%
SS + Dim Stall = 99.8%
MonoAether = 29.4%
Pandebonium
PU Dragons = 78%
Earth EQ Domin = 29.5%
Adrenavamps = 21.5%
Earth Stall = 35%
SS + Dim Stall = 73%
MonoAether = 89.5%
BonePot
PU Dragons = 44.8%
Earth EQ Domin = 93%
Adrenavamps = 27.2%
Earth Stall = 30.6%
SS + Dim Stall = 59%
MonoAether = 86.7%
UTA's Stolen Bones
PU Dragons = 79.8%
Earth EQ Domin = 44.4%
Adrenavamps = 59%
Earth Stall = 62.4%
SS + Dim Stall = 84%
MonoAether = 72.4%

Vs. Onizuka (Jackson)
Decks:

Grabbow
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4t5 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vk 4vk 52p 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5lf 5og 5og 5rr 5rr 8pm
EQ Grabbow
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4t5 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vk 52p 55t 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 5aa 5c1 5ic 5ic 5og 5og 5rr 5rr 8pm
Reflective Shield Grabbow
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4t5 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vk 4vk 52p 55q 55q 590 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5c1 5lg 5lg 5og 5rr 5rr 8pm
Monotime
5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rj 5rl 5rl 5rm 5rm 5ro 5ro 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8ps
Pharaoh
560 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rj 5rl 5rl 5rl 5ro 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8pl
Earth + Water
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 592 592 595 595 595 5ic 5ic 5ic 5if 5if 5if 5if 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pm

Vs. These Decks
Monodeath
Vs. Grabbow = 51.8%
Vs. EQ Grabbow = 74.7%
Vs. Reflective Shield Grabbow = 67.4%
Vs. Monotime = 84.3%
Vs. Pharaoh = 98.2%
Vs. Earth + Water = 77.9%
Pandebonium
Vs. Grabbow = 65.6%
Vs. EQ Grabbow = 64%
Vs. Reflective Shield Grabbow = 71.6%
Vs. Monotime = 72%
Vs. Pharaoh = 95.6%
Vs. Earth + Water = 85.4%
BonePot
Vs. Grabbow = 71.4%
Vs. EQ Grabbow = 93.6%
Vs. Reflective Shield Grabbow = 79.8%
Vs. Monotime = 93.6%
Vs. Pharaoh = 98.2%
Vs. Earth + Water = 82.8%

Vangelios's Matches
Vs. Cheesy (Roosevelt) Cheesy likes monofire.
***Our deck has no chances against fire + sanctuary, and monofire.
maybe this decks has more chances: <--No chances?  Monodeath = 65.8% vs. firestall, 64% vs. monofire

55o 55o 55o 55o 55o 55o 55t 55t 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8pl <--Seraph dies to fire shield in firestall

55k 55k 55k 55k 55o 55o 55o 55o 55o 55o 5up 5up 5up 5up 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8pl <--is it ok with the low quanta balance? 27.5 avaliable, 40 used for darkness.  Normally that's fine for a stall, but will colossal vamps be able to stall well enough for the balance?

Next opponent Team Carter
Creature Control they have available (pool and undrafted), bold is from the undrafted pool and so also available to us:
Antimatter
Mutation
Fallen Elf
Virus
Plague
Aflotoxin
Gravity Pull
Arctic Squid
Ice Bolt
Flooding
Thunderstorm
Reverse Time
Drain Life
Lobotomiser

We have available
Virus
Plague
Aflotoxin
Gravity Pull
Rage Potion,
Ice Bolt
Flooding
Unstable Gas
Thunderstorm
Drain Life
Liquid Shadow
Lobotomiser

In their drafted pool they have no actual creature removal, only AM and Reverse Time. They have no access to Ghost of the Past, so their Nightmare is stall only. However, they have Discord and Arctic Squid, as well as Miracle, cards that in their own right allow for stalling tactics, miracle even more so since Morning Star is undrafted and they have Crusader (not sure if Crusader can target Morning Star though, but certainly Discord).

With Vampire Stiletto, Black Dragon and Drain Life they might go for Darkness as a long-term victory condition, but this seems unlikely since there is little synergy with the rest of their pool; however, these cards are strong enough to warrant a Control deck build around them, somewhat in the lines of Entropy/Darkness DisruptAggro with Discord, Lycanthrope, Nightmare for tempo advantage and Black Dragon/Drain Life to get past the midgame.

A reason they might splash Aether is the availability of Lobotomiser in the Undrafted Pool; with Arctic Squid and Toadfish in their pool and Ice Bolt and Flooding undrafted in Water, access to Quintessence (and even Immortal) might tempt them to go for ultimate creature control. In such a Water/Aether deck they would aim for a reliable middle-term win by having untargetable creatures and the opponent having all of theirs drowned/neutralized. This is a tactic I would use against us since mono-death is just to fast to counter with random Entropy I think.

We have 15 out of 15 Death cards available to us, I congratulate you on isolating this Element for team Kennedy. Cheers =)

This is a general observation: I don't think there is much they can do against us rushing Mummies and poison all over the board; that said I don't reckon they have in their pool any worthwhile cards to Steal, perhaps only the Vampire Dagger to prevent them 2 or 3 extra turns to stabilize.

Also, Purify is out of the tournament (drafted in both pools and both those teams are out of the tournament). Since that is the only hard counter to Poison I think we are in the luxury position of being absolutely save against the one-card wrecking strategy against poison.

Also, I might see a possible Vulture/Schrodinger's Cat/Bonewall Stall deck work with Pandemonium, Chaos Seed, Mutation and Maxwell Demon to back it up. I have to admit that I have encountered such decks a lot recently and they don't seem that strong if the Cat is killed systematically. Without the Cat this deck falls apart quickly and even at best this deck will only be useful if we suspect the opponent will try to win on freezing or RT'ing large creatures; in this case early multiple Vulture/Cat and Demon/Dragon with a Bonewall backup might surprise them.

Vs. Mono Entropy
4vl 4vl 4vl 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vd 4vd 4vf 4vf 4fv 4vg 4vi 4vi 4vk 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 8pj
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 8pj

Entropy/Light Stall
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lh 5lh 5lh 5li 5li 5li 5li 5li 8pq

*UPDATED* against the above two decks (1000 runs)
Pandebonium
vs. Mono Entropy = 33.7%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 24.6%
Bonepot
vs. Mono Entropy = 69.6%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 20.4%
MonoDeath
vs. Mono Entropy = 48.2%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 15.3%
MonoDeath Rush Version
vs. Mono Entropy = 27.4%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 35.7%
Raging Dolls
vs. Mono Entropy = 9.7%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 2.1%
SpeedPoison Rush Version
vs. Mono Entropy = 10.9%
vs. Entropy/Light Stall = 94.3%

Remarkable is that in Bonepot vs. Mono Entropy Bonepot wins on average in 14 turns, Mono Entropy in 14 turns. A lot seems to depend on the draw.

Dragondemesne:
1st game
Mono Death
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52h 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 8pk

vs. Mono Entropy
1st turn Discord vs only 2 Bone Pillars.
Sort of stabilize with Bone Wall. 2 Purple Dragon and Abom on board though.
Second Bonewall at 17 life; I have 2 mummy and Discord. He adds Purple Drag.
Death. Lost, of course, cause of turn 2 discord.


2nd game
BonePan
4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 8pj

vs. Mono Entropy
2 pendulums only, they have Discord 2nd turn. Again. FOR F***'S SAKE!
Purple Dragon, I discard, good game.
PD fails to kill any of his creatures.
2nd dragon and a abom. byebye

3rd game
BonePot
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 542 542 542 542 542 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 8po

vs. Mono Entropy
Finally, I get to go first! Arsenic in play, now seeing if I can make to the end.
Discord, oc. Up vs 2 Max Demon. Diss Shield..
Only need to get a shield in play, have only 4 pillars though.
And there is the purple dragon. I play shield, which'll die in two turns.
Trying to stabilize, but only 8 poison counters vs diss shield with 14 quantum behind.
second shield is failing and EVERY turn fire quanta is scrambled
DEAD.

MISERABLENESS


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Matchup Nixon Vs Polk (see below for thoughts on the matchup)
Round 8 : http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,44021.0.html
Scara Vs Odii
Game1: Titanpult Vs: Skydragon, Dragonfly, Owl Eye, Skyblitz (Loss) wors draw ever.. pulled all flying wepond but no titans
Game2: Titanpult Vs: Mono Discordious Entropy (Loss) bad matchup only pulled 2 pillars and he discored e on turn 2
Game 3: Mono death vs Water (earth mark) Trident Dragon Squid (loss) Very close game. Early arsenic is the key here. And save pillars/pendelums on hand
Summerz Vs ITR
Game1: entropy death vs mono discordious entropy (Loss) 1 entropy pendulum till turn 6
Game2: 3 card stall vs  Skydragon, Dragonfly, Owl Eye, Skyblitz (Loss) Alfatoxin turn 6
Game2: 3 card stall vs  mono discordious entropy (Loss) Alfatoxin turn 7
Yay for shit draws

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Summerz:Deck Ideas,
Life/Air/Miracle
5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5li 5li 5lk 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pn
Not sure about this deck. I guess it depends ont situation. But try to keep it simple.

Entropy/death
4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vq 4vq 4vq 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52i 52i 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 52s 52s 52s 8pk

Aether/Death - The polk version (no plauge cos its too slow), would be nice if we could add another boneshield but i dont think it works
52g 52g 52g 52q 52q 52r 52r 52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 625 625 625 625 625 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pk

Flying Titans - Chimera version (still with 2 pults)
55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 560 560 560 561 561 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 8pr

3 Card Stall: Alfatoxin, skullshield, flooding (This deck is completely undrafted)
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52i 52i 52i 52l 52l 52l 52l 52s 52s 52s 52s 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5ih 5ih 5ih 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pp

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Scaramanga's deck arsenal (what I use mostly)
Aether/Death
52g 52g 52g 52p 52q 52q 52r 52r  52r 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 61q 61q 61q 61q 625 625 625 625 625 63a 63a 63a  63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 8pk

Titanpult
55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55m 55m 55m 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 561 561 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 8pr

Entropy Deckout
4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vp 4vq 4vq 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 52r 5li 5li 8pq
If I use this deck two times in one roud I change the miracles to Light wepond insted

Life is a Miracle
5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bt 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5c4 5c4 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5li 5li 8pq

Mono Death
52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52j 52j 52j 52j 52j 52j 52r 52r 52r 52p 52p 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 542 8pk

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Nixon VS Polk
Polks drafted cards revolve around quanta (Discord Trident) and creature controll (Firebolt Freeze Squid Toadfish Owl Eye UG RT)

Due to the large amount of CC Opening with a creature based deck is unwise, if they are repeatedly playing a deck without CC (EG their discord mono entropy) feel free to mix things up.  Otherwise I would suggest the best course of action is top open with a Entropy/Death deckout, and encourage them to avoid their CC decks to open more options for later games.
If opening with titanpult I would suggest adding 1 catapult, just incase of freeze/squid with trident quanta control.

High likelihood decks (Please add to this list, And list the deck you think is best):
Mono Entropy: Discord, Abom, Purple Dragon (Death/Aether) or (Mono death)
Mostly Water: Trident, Icedragon Icebolt Freeze/Squid (Titanpult)
Water CC: Trident, Freeze, Squid, Toadfish
Unstable Bolt: Fahrenheit, Fire bolt, Owl Eye, UG (Emerald/Reflective Shield) (Titanpult)

Im sure there are decks for LS and RT that they could run, but I dont expect they will use them except maybe RT vs repeated Titanpult.





Selected Cards
1. Arsenic
2. Lightning
3. Bone Wall
4. Miracle
5. Flying Weapon
6. Mummy
7. Titan
8. Pandemonium
9. Emerald Dragon
10. Psion
11. Devonian Dragon
12. Armagio
13. Catapault
14. Rustler
15. Druidic Staff


Creeping death
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z152qz352rz352tz25btz85dez361qz363a8pk

Entropy deckout  (Needs: Reflective Shield, Chaos Seed) probably too much quanta - put  in ARS (mods required for polk) - why reflective shield? -Only vs fire  bolt
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z54viz54vpz850uz852gz552rz15lgz15li8pq

Possibe decks in future? (all decks could be modified, quanta balance etc.)

Anubis lighning

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GROUP PHASE MATCHUPS
iancudorinmarian
Jenkar(lincoln) 1-3. Unfortunatelly, I don't remember what decks he used (what I remember is a plate armor+BB+stone skin+gravity shield deckout deck)
dragonsdemesne(carter) recomend monoeather with dims/lobo/immortals/lightning
inthisroom(polk #1 currently) heavy denial EQ/pulvy/oty/warden seems to have a chance here...low dmg. EQ/dims/shrickers/pu is another choice.He used:an entropy rush with dragons and discords and a trident deck with puffer fish as attacker and arctic squids for control(0-3, I don't remember the first deck, I played the first game yesterday) I used a blue crawler+adrenaline+forest spirits as support, a denial deck with accelerated momentumed bazalt dragons as offense (yes, it is illegal, but lost before using those cards, I watched on the wrong list), and a shrieker+PU+dims (he killed me with trident)
scaramanga(nixon) 3-1: catatitans vs mitogolems 0-1, death/light/entropy deckouter vs pu/shrieckers/EQ/lobo 1-0 , bonebolt with life drags obama counter +chargers 1-0, pandebonium vs mitogolems 1-0
Bjessee
dracomageat(reagan) - Control Lightgons vs Devtosis (0-1), Obamaquake vs Devtosis (0-1), Monoearth vs Devtosis (1-0), Blessed Wardens vs Devtosis (1-0), Adrenavamps (drew 1 pillar out of 15) vs Devtosis (0-1)
vangelios(kennedy) - Mitogolems vs Blessed Dunes x3 (2-1), Mitogolems vs Monodeath (0-1), Control Lightgons vs Monodeath (1-0)
ddevans(taft) - Obamaquake (love this deck) vs. something with poison [monodeath?] (1-0), AdrenaHealpsions vs. Ghostal (1-0), MitoDimPsions (never has worked for me) vs. BESteamies (0-1), Obamaquake vs. Speed Poison (0-1), Control Lightgons vs. Speed Poison (1-0)
junkers(bush)
anna-
calindu(roosevelt) monofire drags/faren/bolts otk with bolts x2 vs pugraboids (0-1 barely with a bad draw) , entropy/firestall (0-1) adrenademons
hainkarga 3-0(jackson) timedrags/momo of the mark vs lobo/dims (1-0), momograbs vs lobodims (2-0), monotime drags/gotp/hg vs lobo/dims (3-0)
nils 2-1 forfeit (obama) devtal vs obama counter x3



Decks used vs us in group B opening phase, what we used and what was the outcome

jocko-dragonsdemense, calindu, onizuka
Cal - monofire x3 vs PUGons, vs Obama counter, vs Rustler/Emerald (All losses, too fast)

bj-nilsjie, majofo, vineroz, mr paper
nils - ?, devtal w Gargs/Nightfall x2? vs Obama counter (All wins)
mr paper  - Trident/EDrags vs PUGons (L early lock), Grabbow vs Obama counter (LoL),
majofa (RootRanger) - Lycans vs MitoPsions with Heals (L), AM/Light stall vs ? (L), Lycans vs Deja/Hope (W), AMChargers vs MitoPsions with Dims (L)  [AMs in every match, Disshield seen in all but last  (MitoPsions with Cloaks?  Pulvy/Immortals?)]
vineroz - Weirdbow vs MitoGolems (L early Mindgate)

anna-
regen- poison/stealsx2 vs mitohemetiteswith healz, weirdbow win with mitopsion
cheesy- 2x entropy/firestall vs pugons(2xW), 2x monofire creature rush(L with adrenavamps, L with pugons), firebolt/farenrush (L with dimless pugons)
absol- catatitans vs obama counter(W), aceltitans vs obama counter (W)

Spoiler for Team Andrew Jackson:

picks
1)graboid 2) nova 3) momentum 4) phoenix 5) protect artifact 6) gotp 7) eternity 8) basilisk blood 9) fog shield 10)Pharaoh 11)hourglasses 12)mind flayer     13) reflective shield 14)trident  15):earth dragon   
                                                           
    Polk
    They lead they're poll because they got good players and cards.. take em really seriously!
    They have many good options, entropy decks with disco but a bit unlikely against us since we have nova decks.   Also, a squid + disco for insanely low deck from us is possible. Farenheit + fire bolts is a deadly combo by itself, add phoenixes to it and it becomes really hard to beat.  Luckily we got reflective shield for bolts and BB for phoenixes but we gonna need em against bolts because farenh is deadly if they know we cant steal/deflag it.  Also, Owls eye is a graboid killer so beware how many you  take in that deck.  Lastly, RT is a big problem if we bring 6 graboid and/or forest spirit to grow.  I suggest we go with some sort of nova deck every time and heavy on quanta because of disco.
   
Taft
That should be a good matchup for us because they got a ghostmare deck that is really risky against us.  they also have Dimension shield, so momentum are a must.  They can go with fractal stuff, so titanium shield can be a life saver.  They could also use phase dragons so go easy on BB.
               
They have no PC, and no drafted CC. Would a Momentum-Dune Scorpion-Eternity deck work? sure could.. we have a deck like this below We do? Sorry, I haven't read most of them yet...I will now

Lincoln

This team wants stalls big time!  They got an earth/gravity gombo of grav shield +plate armor, bb, warden, pulvy  and ss to slow decks down!  They also have antimatter that we must check.  Lastly they have wings and dissip shield to slow us.  Dune scorpion deck with eternity looks great here too.  Momentums are a must here again in any deck and bb could be real helpful for those wardens!

Reagan
They have bh and will likely wanna use it against us.. STAY AWAY from novas :P  That being said, they have devourers so we need many quanta in the decks.  They will also duo that with some steals so try to use as few permanents as possible and get enchant artifact when able to.  They can go with some life rush, if they  do, eternity is a must for returning the adren/mitosis cards, or tit shield for a lame 1 damage each time

Nixon
They got catatitans and pandebonium deck.  Both are too slow/weak vs graboid deck.  Just keep grabs unevolved if you see a potential pandemonium coming.

Bush

they got a nice fire/earth combo includimg llava golems, deflags, firestorms and eq. They also got lobo and mind flayer, so no momentum here for us!.   Theu got purify also so no need for scorpions anyway.  I think most rush without perms should do well here.  Or grav earth duo with enchant artifct to protect the gravity shield.


                                                               
obama
they have catatitans that could include bh to counter our novas, frogtal and devtal and a nymph rush

a time-earth duo with titanium shield and eternity
 or even a grabbow should beat it
 titanium shield blocks scorpions, frogs, devourers
 they can use catatitans but its slower than grabbow generally
or they will have to use a different creature, like fractal chargers which is even slower           
since they know we have the upper hand on most stuff, I expect many fractal dev from em hoping for no grabbow grom us,  Maybe we should put the tit shield    in grabbow in case of fractal                   

 roosevelt
 are fire air guys so some dragon deck should do good. either mono earth or some duo including earh because they are likely to come with ffq and/or deflag so tit shield and pa will be really helpful.  We want stone dragons and maybed phoenix to counter wings, I'd stay away from grabbow even with momentum cause they have too much cc.
 
 kennedy
  has very disturbing amount of cc and all to make bonewalls last forever
  we can counter that pretty easily with unevolved grabs in case of any entropy quanta (pandemonium) they have steal so we must be sure to include pa if we come with permanants.
 
  Harrison
  many major permanents: pulvy to destroy our stuff + eq for total denial, dimension shield which will force us to use momentum, but they have warden and lightnings to slow our creatures while they can use pu to speed themselves.
  This will be hard, maybe trident + pu to protect from pulvy and deny enough quanta so they wont be able to use theyre precious and costy aether quanta
 
  Carter
  entropy heaven, they will hit often with discord and am... grabbow will counter that. they  might also duo light/darkness with crusaders and stiletto + miracle for extreme healing.  We could counter that with some bb for crusaders in earth deck or grabbow, a couple of mind flayers to prevent crusaders from having they're bonus is really important ** note bring 2-3 more quanta if not playing nova against em to counter discord because they'll use it a  ton
 
  skeleton decks to work from: DO NOT use as is, modify with the approoriate teams as needed
  grabbow: (my decks include a earth mark dont know if u have 1)
  4sm 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 592 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5c1 5if 5og 8pm
 
  mono earth: 4sm 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58s 58s 591 591 592 595 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 8pm
 
  mono time:   5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rj 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rm 5ro 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8ps

 
 
  duo time earth:
 
  590 590 590 590 590 590 592 592 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rg 5rg 5rg 5ro 5ro 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5t2 5t2 8ps
 
  frustrating earth/grav: duo (bb and grav shield to protect from mostly all) 55p 55p 55q 55q 55q 55t 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 595 595 595 595 8pl
 
  phoenixbow:4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 590 595 5c1 5f0 5f0 5f0 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5if 5og 5og 5rr 5un 8po
 
 
Random decks

Random dunebow * I'd rather if we use a 3rd eternity instead of a 2nd fog shield in this since it is supposed to be used with rt, eternity becomes vital right from the start
4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 595 5og 5og 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rl 5ro 5ro 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 5rt 8pl

Y u mad, lightning? *slow but great against heavy cc or DS
55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 595 595 595 595 8pl

Trident troll    is really good, will be hard against team harrisson though (cloak)
58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58q 58q 58q 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5ic 5ic 5ic 5ic 8pp


grabbow [Cool vs team obama] cool rush, but beware of BH from team Obama, maybe wait to use it on game 3 so they think we won't go nova deck because we fear BH
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55u 55u 590 590 590 590 590 590 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 8po

poison!! It's unfortunately too slow, too weak to any cc and doesnt block any damage, could only work against a pure stall, not worth it.
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52u 52u 52u 52u 52u 52u 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 55q 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5jm 8pl

pharaoh rushif you intended to outrush em, I suggest -1 eternity and procrastination and +2 pillars since speed and quanta is a big issue and you should draw a wep fast anyway with hourglasses otherwise, great deck** Edited the deck vs playeroa's team
5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 8pl

JB's stuff
I'm bored, so I'm going to just post my matches.
Round 1 against RootRanger(Carter). I go in with a Grabbow. Turn one - I play Nova and then...wait for it...Deja Vu. Immediately, I think: Damn. I'm screwed. I lose fairly badly. He played a Entropy splash Time Mark + Rewind. Onto game two!
Go in with Dune Scorps + Momentum - Gravy mark, with six Dunes, six Moments, 3 Ternities, some hourglasses, and not enough pillars for against Discord. He played same deck as above, I believe. Lose
Game 3, I go in with basically the same deck. This time, I manage to beat him barely. He was playing Mono Entropy this time, and my Eternity locked him down, I think.
Game 4, I go in with...Dune Scorps! Against Entropy/Time again. His Discords screw my Gravy Quanta, so I don't get a Dune Scorp out for a while. Lose

Match 2:
Against Laxa (Taft)
I go in with my now-patented Dune Scorps against what I fear may be a Ghostmare, but it winds up a Ghostal. I beat him, literally, by one Quanta. My Procrastination was able to lock his Ghosts down enough to let my Dune Scorps kill him, and he got me down to 2 HP with 5 Time Quanta (1 short of a Ghost) left. I won next turn via poisons.
Game 2:
I, again, play Dune Scorps. Forget what I was up against - perhaps Ghostal again. Then again, I don't even remember if I played Dune Scorps. Regardless, I won.
Game 3:
I play a Grabbow, this time sans Deja Vu. And I lose. To what, I forget. Remind me to ask Laxa about our games. Anyway, I hate Grabbows. -> Actually, I think this was BUd Steamies
Game 4:
Go into a Mono-Earth (Mark of Time) Earth rush. I beat a Gargoylemare/ Nightfalled Deathstalker by quite a large amount. I can do Graboids, just not Grabbows.

Match 3 (against Junkers filling for Alorx, team Bush)
Game 1: Gogogo...Nothing! xD
I used your guys' advice, and went with a Protected Gravy Shield/B Blood/Plate Armor against a mono fire rush containing pillars, shields, RoFs, Deflags, and dragons. That's it. Went 32 card deck. Beat him easily; his only damage sources were the Dragons, where one Plate Armor put them above the Gravy Shield's limit. He conceded about 3 turns left.
Game 2: I used the same deck as game 1, and he used...Chrysoara Poison. I quit early on.
Game 3: Dune Scorps! <3 against...Fire Nymph Tears. I lost fairly badly. Raging Nymphs kill Scorps. :(
    Game 4: Mono Earth Time-mark against same Fire Nymph Tears. I won fairly easily; B Blood is awesome. :)
    Game 5: Mono Earth Time-mark against...Light/Life Duo! Waitwhat? He hoped to throw me off, so he went Holy Lights, Thorn Carapaces, Morning Stars ( I think) and Scorps - against Titanium Shield. Won fairly easily again.
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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1008632#msg1008632
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 06:06:15 am »
Spoiler for De-classified Titanpads, Top 4 Teams:

Spoiler for Team Lincoln Lincycave:
Welcome to your Draft III headquarters.  Use this area to plan your drafting stratetgy and deck choices.  Good luck and have fun! Be careful plas... we know you can still get in here. We'll be waiting... ಠ_ಠ

Matches this round:
Jentarp vs RootRanger
vagman vs dragonsdesmesne
n00b vs majofa

Strategies for CARTER :

wings/spider deck for Carter
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z552jz55ocz55ofz55ooz85pu8pk.jpg
32 cards to win incase of deckout
Antimatter is a huge problem


WINGBOW for Carter
same as below but with the following changes :
3 pendulums out for 3 stone pillars
graviton,dragon,warden,blessing out
5 BB in
31 cards deck
Strategy: Play nova and hope discord leaves enough quanta for wings,Wings block discord and abominations,BB any dragons ASAP
Problems : They have chaos seed and antimatter, which means graboids have to stay burrowed.We need MOAR damage dragon?
Plus,once they figure out we rely on wings,they can just put 6 dragons 6 antimatters and wtfpwn us. and say hi to our gravy stall?  you seem way too confident,testing shows that both our stall and bow lose to monoentropy I do not see the wingbow lose to the MonoE. Stall => more quantum to counter discord. Oh nvm. Stall suffers with the dragons being only 5hp

*always too confident*
GravyEarth stall:
Same  as below but instead of plate armor,wardens.Reason is that they have  chaos seed which can be used on their own creatures.Last time odii used  that against me and killed me Wardens are awfully weak to CC though.
we  need to test this a bit to figure it's probabilities of winning.Also we  cant use this more than once since they will propably smarten up and  use bigger decks to avoid deckout



Archetype decks:
Earth/Gravy stall
    55p 55p 55p 55p 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 58t 594 594 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 8pl
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z355pzA58oz558tz5594z5595z65aa8pl
    Pulversion
    55p 55p 55p 55p 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58t 58t 58v 58v 58v 58v 594 594 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 8pl
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z355pzA58oz158tz358vz5594z5595z65aa8pl

<proposal>Entropy/earth Stall
    4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 594 594 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595 8pm
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z34vgz54vnzJ50uz5594z35958pm



Grabbow (wings) :
    4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55u 590 590 590 590 590 590 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5lf 5of 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 8pr
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z14vhz54vj55uz5590596z75aa5lf5ofz35oo8pr
    For shockwave version, -wings + sws
    4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55u 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 5lf 5of 5on 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pm
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z14vhz54vj55uz55905915lf5ofz35onz75pu8pm
    Another sw version <proposal>
    4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55u 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 595 595 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 8pr
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z14vhz54vj55uz658oz5590591z1595z45on8pr
    <proposal> for Pulvyversion :
    4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 55u 58o 58o 58o 58o 58v 58v 58v 590 590 590 590 590 590 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5c0 5lf 5on 5on 8pl
    http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z14vhz54vj55uz358oz258vz5590z35aa5c05lfz15on8pl

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43275.0.html (drafts)

Matches :
Jenkar vs. YawnChainHow, summerz88, Alorx, Coffeeditto
vagman13 vs. Odii Odsen, Laxadarap, bpculture
n00b vs. inthisroom, dracomageat, blahs15

Need :
-complete drafted cards, /team. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43311.0.html
-undrafted cards
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/4vd4vi4vm4vo4vq52i52j52k52l52m52n52p52s52u52v55n55o55r55u56058p58q58r58s58u5c05c35c45f15f25f35fe5l95la5lb5lc5ld5le5lf5lg5lh5lj5lk5od5oe5of5oh5oj5ok5op5un5uq5us5ut61p61s6206216236248ps.jpg
&
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/4t34t44t54tb4tc5i55i65i85i95id5ih5ii5rh5ri5rj5rn5rq5rr5rs8ps.jpg

-what possible decks they can build
-what they expect of us
-what they'll bring to face us
-what we use to destroy answer to previous question

Odii /inthisroom
-monoentropy
-monofire
-air/fire duo (ugs + owls + note the presence of both dragons in non-drafted)
-monowaderp
-unupped valkyrie (somewhat)


Planned matches :
Jenkar vs summerz88 : monday, 8AM GMT


Card draft list:

Drafting Strategy: We have none

we have b00bie lol

Team =
Polk : no pattern? Discord, Rt, Phoenix, Fire Shield/Bolt
Taft : ghostal/mare (ghost, fractal, dim), Nightmare, Poison
Us : grabbow (nova, graboid, sw)
Reagan : darkness (steal, dev), black hole, Mitosis <= pestosis
Nixon : bonebolt (arse, boners, lightnings) And miracle
Bush : no pattern, JUST LIKE PRESIDENT BUSH (NT, deflag, fire shield, earthquake)

cards drafted:

pick 1 : Nova
pick 2 : Graboid
pick 3 : Shockwave
pick 4 : Pulverizer
pick 5 : Wings
pick 6 : Sundial
pick 7 : Antimatter
pick 8 : Dissipation
pick 9 : Lycanthrope
pick 10 : Basilisk Blood
pick 11: Stone Skin
pick 12 : Gravity Pull
pick 13 : Iridium Warden
pick 14 : Gravy Shield?
pick 15 : Plate Armor?

Teams to worry about (due to either members, card choices, or both):
Polk - Members (just picking strong cards thus far, not much of a strategy)
Taft - Mainly card choice (Ghostal)
Lincoln - I have a feeling they'll epic-mindgate us
FDR - Goodishlier members, I guess
Carter - Maj and Root make a good combo, so may be a problem
JFK? - dunno, guess I haven't seen much of what regen/Viney can do
Harrison - Only if Anna becomes active
Jackson - Oni hax.

top priority cards to pick : graboid,discord,poison,lava golem,devourer,fractal,dimshield nova? yes, dunno how I missed it >.< lolnub
noyounub

secondary priority : arsenic,deflag, steal,blackhole,earthquake

Tertiary (yes, it is a word) priority : Possible FW + any weapon that would be useful (OEs, Staves, etc)


[23:41] plastiqe well, lets say Team Lincoln ends up in 3rd for Draft the First
[23:41] plastiqe the first team would draft a card, then the second team, then your team
[23:42] plastiqe and then picks continue in "snake" order until Team Lincoln drafts another card with the 10th pick
see : http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,43275.0.html

Spoiler for Franklin Delano Roosevelt:
...

Spoiler for Team Jimmy Carter:
Welcome to your Draft III headquarters.  Use this area to plan your drafting stratetgy and deck choices.  Good luck and have fun!

-all undrafted draft B cards are at the bottom of this window; add corrections if needed
-standalone marks are allowed, so remember to use them in place of pillars where available


Carter vs Polk
FINALS

mono entropy can hurt most of their decks.





Used these in the group round vs n00b
He used blessing/wardens and wings sometimes

ABRAHAM LINCOLN
chrysora/squid
4sk 4sp 52l 52l 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 8pp

lycan/BE
4sj 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vg 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vo 4vo 50u 50u 5v1 5v1 8pt

RT/Entropy
4sj 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8pj
v2
4sj 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vo 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8pj

 lycan BE/disc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vh 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vo 4vo 5v1 5v1 8pt  He used phase dragon/dims with poison off mark,
 
vampiric crusader miracle 4sq 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5ld 5ld 5li 5li 5li 5li 5li 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ur 5ur 5ur 5ur 8pt 

druidic crusader stall 4sq 5c2 5c2 5c3 5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c9 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5li 5li 5li 5li 5li 5li 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 8pn  (if anyone uses this deck again, it was too quanta heavy, particularly on life)

Polk
Meh. They have good decks. I think our best choice is Mono Entropy.


http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4sjz54vcz34vez54vfz14vgz34vlz650u8pj


http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=zC4vcz54vfz14vlz54vnz550uz15ldz55li8pq
    Diss Version: http://elementscommunity.org/tool/deck/?deck=zC4vcz54vfz34vgz14vlz54vnz950uz35li8pq

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=zD4vcz14vgz54vhz24vlz14vnz14voz15v18pt


game 1 vs ten men: monoentropy mirror, won coin toss but i had bad quanta and he had great, so even discord couldn't stop him 0-1
game 2 vampire crusaders (was hoping he'd go with monofire rush or something) and he goes with squid/sanc stall.  i concede after ahe gets a squid and i can't kill it
game 3 I try a rainbow stall, thinking he'll go monodiscord again, and qp > discord.  he does indeed go monoentropy, but didn't even get discord.  he gets lots of abo/dragon instead, and my qps troll and i manage to cast one card all game, instead getting almost all my quanta in elements for which i had no cards in the deck


Carter (we -need- butterfly effect for taft's ghostal.  i doubt roosevelt will take it, but i don't think they'll take much of what we're eying anyway)
Discord
Antimatter
Reverse Time
Miracle
Nightmare
Purple Dragon
Lycanthrope
Butterfly Effect
Arctic Squid
Toadfish
Vampire Stiletto
Black Dragon
Abomination
Crusader
Quintessence



majofa GMT-7
dragonsdemesne GMT-6 mountain standard time daylight
Root GMT -5
dagger
short sword
hammer
short bow
shield

maxwell's demon
dissipation shield
chaos seed
mutation
fallen elf
schrodinger's cat

bone dragon
virus
flesh spider
vulture
skull shield
skeleton
boneyard
plague
aflatoxin
deathstalker
soul catcher

sapphire charger
armagio
graviton mercenary
colossal dragon
gravity shield
otyugh
gravity pull
graviton fire eater
chimera

antlion
hematite golem
titanium shield
plate armor
gnome rider
shrieker

rustler
cockatrice
forest spirit
heal
thorn carapace
druidic staff
mitosis

ash eater
fire spirit
fire shield
seraph

chrysaora
blue crawler
ice bolt
flooding

pegasus
holy light
solar shield
guardian angel
blessing
morning star
luciferin
hope

dragonfly
wyrm
thunderstorm
firefly

deja vu
fate egg
procrastination
devonian dragon
anubis
scarab
precognition
dune scorpion

parasite
drain life
gargoyle

spark
immortal
lobotomizer
phase spider
mindgate

Spoiler for Team James K. Polk:
Eine Idee gegen Carter's 40 Karten AM/Diss Shield Stall könnte die ein oder andere Variante von diesem Deck sein:

5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f3 5f3 5f3 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5f7 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 8pq

Spirits gegen Antmatter, wobei Fahrenheit alleine fast reicht, um das Diss Shield runterzuarbeiten, könnte auch creatureless funktionnieren.

Ice Stall - normales ME 1-0
ME - Splash RT 2-0
MF - ME Stall (AM/Diss Shield/Dragons/Discord, 40 Karten) 2-1
ME - ME mit CS (32 Karten) 3-1

Gegen Carter
aus der Gruppenrunde:
- loss Chrysoaras + Quantum Pillars vs Mono Entropy
- loss DejaHope vs Entropy splash RT
- win Ice Stall vs Mono Entropy
interressantes Ergebnis, ich hätte das matchup jetzt als stark positiv für ME eingeschätzt, hatten wir da glück in dem Spiel? Im Chat steht "schlechtes Quanta" und "1st turn" (wohl eher 2nd turn ;P ) Discord, und trotzdem gewinnen wir. Das klingt ja fast zu gut. Ich könnte mir allerdings vorstellen dass das Deck gute Chancen hat wenn sie zuviel Quatsch in ihr ME reinschmeißen der keinen dmg macht (AM, DissShield, evtl Chaos Seed).
- win Mono Entropy vs Mono Water
- loss Mono Entropy vs Mono Entropy
Ich sehe hier ehrlich gesagt gar nicht mal so Diss Shield als ihre trumpfkarte, das teil wir von drachen eigentlich recht schnell leer gemacht. Ich glaube nicht dass es den Vorsprung ausgleichen kann den man durch früheren Discord kriegt. Nicht so sicher bin ich mir bei Antimatter. Das Problem ist dass es 8 kostet und auf einen Dragon gespielt ist es quasi wie zwei Drachen (macht einen kaputt und heilt dann noch für 10).
Wie viel dieser beiden Karten habt ihr eigentlich während des Matches gesehen? Ich lese hier im Chat einmal was von DissShield und nichts von Antimatter. Das Chrysaora deck hat ja eh nicht so viele targets für AM, aber vielleicht hat er ja verdächtig viele Karten auf der Hand behalten?
Das Problem ist dass bei ME vs ME selbst im Optimalfall, es einfach vom cointoss abhängt wer gewinnt (bzw vom früheren Discord).

So stelle ich mir so ungefähr das meta der begegnung vor:
- normales ME vs normales ME 50:50
- normales ME vs modifiziertes ME (mit AM und DissShield) vielleicht so 35:65?
- irgendein gutes nicht-Entropy deck a là Ice Stall vs modifiziertes ME leicht positiv für uns
- irgendein gutes nicht-Entropy deck a là Ice Stall vs normales ME loss

Decks:
Ice Stall
5i4  5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5i9  5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5lh 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 8pq
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z95i4z55i8z25i9z25ibz55jm5lhz55lm8pq.jpg

mono Entropy
15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj

mono Fire? - gut gegen ME mit viel Chaos Seed und Diss Shield wahrscheinlich
17 Pillar, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahren, 4 Phoenix
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po


4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 5f1 5f1 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5ok 5ok 5ok 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 8pq


Gegen Roosevelt

Also mono Entropy müssen wir auf jeden Fall dabei haben... wahrscheinlich brauchen wir 6 Dragons und eventuell Chaos Seeds gegen Lava Golems.
Mono Fire sieht eigentlich auch ganz gut aus, das sollte das Wings deck eigentlich schön plattmachen und auch Immogolem wenn er nicht turn eins Doppelgolem macht oder so.
Odii hat glaube ich ME mit Maxwell Demon gespielt aber den finde ich gar nicht mal so toll da er ja eh CC hat in seinem Immogolem deck oder? Und ich glaube eigentlich durch Wings kommen wir auch mit 6 Drachen durch.


Gegen Nixon:

was haltet ihr von Mono Air?
5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5od 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5ol 5op 5op 5op 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pr
Dragon fly nützlich um BW schneller zu zerstören, schnelle quanta Bildung und Sky blitz sorgt für genug dmg plus einen Überraschungseffekt. Habs jetzt wenige Male, 4-5 Mal gegen Mono Death ausprobiert. Müsste klappen, denke ich.

Mono Entropy ist eig. auch recht stark. Wobei gegen BW es teilweise problematisch wird.

Ice Stall ist effektiv, einzige Schwäche ist CataTitan.

BE Stall
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4vd 4vl 4vo 4vo 4vo 4vo 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i9 5i9 5i9 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pj





Gegen Harrison:

Trident Deck
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ic 5ic 5ic 5ic 5id 5id 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z85i4z35ibz35icz15idz25iez75jm8pm.jpg

mono Fire
17 Pillar, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahren, 4 Phoenix
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

mono Entropy:
15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj

Gegen Carter:
wird schwierig... nervig ist dass die Antimatter haben was ein ganz guter Trumpf im ME mirror ist. Und auch gegen mono Fire nicht schlecht.

Chrysaora shit
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4t4 4t4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 8pk

komisches Deja Hope
4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rs 5rs 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8ps

15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj

mono Fire: 18 Pillar, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahren, 3 Phoenix
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po



Gegen Kennedy:

15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj

Gegen Taft:
Wechseln ziwschen
mono Fire: 18 Pillar, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahren, 3 Phoenix
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po
und mono Entropy: 15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj
Fire/Silence: Aether mark, 14 Burning Pillar, 2 Fire pends, 6 Fire Bolts, 3 Fahrenheit, 5 Silence
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5gi 5gi 624 624 624 624 624 8pu

Chrysaora deck
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i5 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pk
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z95i4z55i5z55i8z25ibz45jm8pk.jpg

Ice Stall
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i9 5i9 5i9 5ib 5ib 5ib 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5lh 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 8pq
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z95i4z55i8z25i9z25ibz55jm5lhz55lm8pq.jpg

Trident Deck
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ic 5ic 5ic 5ic 5id 5id 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z85i4z35ibz35icz15idz25iez75jm8pm.jpg

FFQ deck
5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pn
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z45lkz95ocz55oj5olzA5pu8pn.jpg

Deja Hope
5la 5la 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lj 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rk 5rk 5rk 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 8pq
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/decks/cache/z15laz45ljz35lkz25lmz55rhz25rkzA5t28pq.jpg

Gegen Lincoln:
Entropy splash RT: Time Mark, 18 Pillars, 4 Discord, 5 Purple Dragon, 4 Abomination, 6 RT (37 Karten)
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 8ps
modifiziertes Mono Entropy: 17 Pillars, 4 Discord, 4 Chaos Seed, 5 Purple Dragon, 4 Abomination (34 Karten)
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj
mono Entropy: 15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj
mono Fire: 16 Pillar, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahren, 5 Phoenix
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Gegen Nixon und Reagan:
nur mono Entropy:  15 pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj

Gegen Bush:
Entropy splash RT: Time Mark, 15 Pillars, 3 Discord, 4 Purple Dragon, 3 Abomination, 5 RT
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 8ps
modifiziertes Mono Entropy: 15 Pillars, 3 Discord, 4 Chaos Seed, 4 Purple Dragon, 4 Abomination
4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 8pj
mono Water: Water Mark, 14 Pillar, 6 Toadfish, 2 Freeze, 4 Ice Bolt, 2 Arctic Squid, 1 Short Sword, 1 Ice Dragon
4t4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i7 5i7 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5ib 5ib 5id 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pp

Our Cards:
Discord
Phoenix
Reverse Time
Sanctuary
Fire Bolt
Owl's Eye
Unstable Gas
Purple Dragon
Abomination
Fahrenheit
Trident
Toadfish
Arctic Squid
Liquid Shadow
Freeze

OK um mal zusammenzufassen was wir haben:

- mono Entropy:
15 Pillar, 4 Discord, 5 Abomination, 6 Purple Dragon
Das mach halt schön die Leute kaputt die kein Rainbow oder Dim Shield haben. Gegen Nixon, Reagan, Kennedy und Obama brauchen wir glaube ich gar kein anderes Deck. Gegen die anderen wird das Deck auch zum Einsatz kommen aber halt eher im Wechselspiel mit anderen Decks. Optionen für das Deck sind Maxwells Demon falls wir gute targets erwarten und wenig CC, Chaos Seed ist eine Möglichkeit die überraschend gut sein kann gegen rainbow decks mit ihren vielen kleinen Kreaturen.

- mono Fire:
16 Pillar, 3 Fahrenheit, 5 Phoenix, 6 Fire Bolt
So würde ich das glaube ich spielen.Ist halt super vor allem gegen decks mit viel CC, ist aber auch recht schnell. Bin mir nicht sicher ob man damit schon durch Dim Shield Strategien durchboxen kann, meistens wohl eher nicht.

- Firestall
10 Pillar, 5 Pends, 6 Fire Bolt, 3 Fahrenheit, 6 Sanctuary
Naja. Da fehlt schon noch was leider. Mal sehen ob wir das trotzdem spielen können.
Ja, wir könnten uns auch irgendwas anderes mit Sanctuary überlegen. Ich mein solang Seraph frei ist... Ist zwar nicht die beste Karte, aber mal schauen. Muss sowieso erstmal die möglichen Decks der anderen anschauen.

- UG/Fire Bolt deck:
Bin hier noch nicht so wirklich auf einen grünen Zweig gekommen, irgendwie will man hier einerseits schnell seine Gase rausebekommen und wahrscheinlich auch noch ein Owl's Eye oder so, andererseits braucht man auch endlos Fire für die Bolts.
Und wenn man hier auf die Bolts verzichtet? Ich mein kombiniert mit 13 Wind Pillars, 4 Dragonflies, 6 UG, zwei OE, 4 Azur Dragon und 1 Skyblitz. Wobei ich Skyblitz vlt mit nem weiteren Pillar ersetzen würde. Ist halt nett für ne Überraschung, falls man mim Chainen warten möchte. Oder mehr Pillars statt Dragonflies.
Jo könnte man machen. Hätte einen ganz guten Überraschungswert da der Gegner entweder ins Blaue hinein Dims spielen muss oder er kriegt einen Überraschungangriff ab.

- Trident deck

- Chrysaora deck

- mono Water rush deck

- FFQ - Hope deck

- Rush mit RT splash

Drafted Cards:
Discord
Dimensional Shield
Nova
Black Hole
Arsenic
Deflagration
Nymph's Tears
Lightning
Steal
Graboid
Ghost of the Past
Reverse Time
Phoenix
Fractal
Shockwave
Devourer
Bonewall
Earthquake
Fire Shield
Miracle
Mitosis
Pulverizer
Nightmare
Sanctuary
Fire Bolt
Poison
Wings
Adrenaline
Flying Weapon
Enchant Artifact
Purify
Mummy
Eternity
Sundial
Parallel Universe
Owl's Eye
Unstable Gas
Vampire Stiletto
Antimatter
Fog Shield
Titan
Immolation
Lobotomizer
Pandemonium
RagePotion
Purple Dragon
Abomination
Dissipation Shield
Bone Dragon
Purple Dragon
Abomination
Phase Dragon
Lycanthrope
Acceleration
Emerald Dragon
Rain of Fire
Mind Flayer
Lava Golem
Devonian Dragon
Psion
Voodoo Doll
Black Dragon
Basilisk Blood
Stone Skin
Fahrenheit
Trident
Toadfish
Arctic Squid
Forest Spirit
Heal
Golden Hourglass
Crusader
Iridium Warden
Gravity Pull
Horned Frog
Empathic Bond
Armagio
Catapult
Momentum
Dune Scorpion
Forest Scorpion
Mutation
Rustler
Druidic Staff
Dusk Mantle
Sapphire Charger
Gravity Shield
Plate Armor
Cloak
Gargoyle
Liquid Shadow
Freeze

momentane Kandidatenliste:
Trident
Arctic Squid
Fahrenheit
Toadfish
Freeze
Firefly Queen
Golden Hourglass


Allgemein wichtig für den Draft:
Im Prinzip sind die gleichen Karten gut die auch sonst gut sind. Allerdings werden Karten besser die weniger andere Karten brauchen um zu funktionieren, da einem die anderen Teams Karten wegpicken werden.
Beispiele:
- Nova: Wahrscheinlich die beste Karte im Spiel, wird aber hier schlechter da Novadecks meistens viele verschiedene Karten haben wollen. Z.B Nova und Graboid bekommen ist schonmal quasi unmöglich, und auch ansonsten wird man auf vieles von dem ansonsten typischen Novakram verzichten müssen.
- Discord: Auch eine sehr starke Karte und im Unterschied zu Nova für das Event deutlich besser geeignet da man nur sie + ein paar Idioten (Abomination + Purple Dragon) braucht und schon hat man ein richtig starkes Deck. Im ersten Draft hat genau dieses Deck zwei Teams im Alleingang plattgemacht, im zweiten Draft gab es das Deck dann nicht mehr weil ein anderes Team im letzten Pick die Abomination gepickt hat. Natürlich war das kein besonders vorteilhafter Pick für das Team mit der Abomination denn wer spielt schon Abomination ohne Discord.
- Dimensional Shield: Ähnlich wie Discord sehr gut geeignet, man kann die Karte in jedes Deck schmeißen und wenn der Gegner keine Antworten dafür eingepackt hat, von denen es nicht so viele gibt, geht er halt ein.
- Nymph's Tears: Die Karte ist ein extremes Beispiel für eine Karte die wenige andere Karten zum Funktionieren braucht, in diesem Fall nämlich Null. 6 NT 24 Water Pillar ist schon ein ziemlich solides Deck das man auch noch zusätzlich modifizieren kann. Also bekommt man für nur einen Pick ein komplettes Deck. Für das Discord Deck zum Vergleich müsste man wahrscheinlich zumindest drei Picks machen (Discord sehr früh, Abomination und Dragon etwas später da sie sonst weggehatepickt werden).


Dagger
Short Sword
Hammer
Short Bow
Shield

Maxwell's Demon
Chaos Seed
Fallen Elf
Butterfly Effect
Schrodinger's Cat

Virus
Flesh Spider
Vulture
Skull Shield
Skeleton
Boneyard
Plague
Aflatoxin
Deathstalker
Soul Catcher

Graviton Mercenary
Colossal Dragon
Otyugh
Graviton Fire Eater
Chimera

Antlion
Hematite Golem
Stone Dragon
Titanium Shield
Gnome Rider
Shrieker

Cockatrice
Thorn Carapace
Emerald Shield

Ash Eater
Crimson Dragon
Fire Spirit
Seraph

Chrysaora
Blue Crawler
Ice Bolt
Ice Shield
Ice Dragon
Flooding
Steam Machine

Photon
Golden Dragon
Pegasus
Holy Light
Solar Shield
Guardian Angel
Blessing
Reflective Shield
Luciferin
Hope
Morning Star

Dragonfly
Wyrm
Azure Dragon
Thunderstorm
Firefly Queen
Firefly
Sky Blitz

Deja Vu
Fate Egg
Procrastination
Anubis
Scarab
Precognition
Pharaoh

Parasite
Nightfall
Drain Life
Minor Vampire

Spark
Immortal
Phase Spider
Quintessence
Mindgate
Silence




Draft A:

Taft:

Dimensional Shield
Ghost of the Past
Fractal
Nightmare
Poison
Parallel Universe
Vampire Stiletto
Phase Dragon
Forest Spirit
Heal
Golden Hourglass
Crusader
Cloak
Gargoyle

Decks:

2-3; 3-0, 3-0
-Ghostal (3N) (S)
-Death/Water (Chrysaora/Bone Dragon) (S)
-Mono Death (Bone Dragon/Poison) (S)
- Fractal Bone Dragon /Dim Shield (S)
- Mono Aether (S)
- Blessed Pegasus (S)
- Cloaked "Mono Fire" (S)
- Cats + Skellies + Bone Dragons (S)

Lincoln:

Nova
Graboid
Shockwave
Pulverizer
Wings
Sundial
Antimatter
Dissipation Shield
Lycanthrope
Basilisk Blood
Stone Skin
Iridium Warden
Gravity Pull
Gravity Shield
Plate Armor

Decks:

3-0; 3-2
Earth Mark, Grabbow, BB, Pulvy
Gravity Mark, Gravity Shield, BB, Stone Skin

Reagan:

Black Hole
Steal
Devourer
Mitosis
Adrenaline
Eternity
Fog Shield
Rage Potion
Acceleration
Voodoo Doll
Black Dragon
Horned Frog
Empathic Bond
Dusk Mantle
Sapphire Charger

3-0; 3-0
gegen mono Air x2 und gegen so ein Photon-Luci-Feral Bond Deck (wahrscheinlich auch mit Hope)
- 3x Air Mark, Fog shield plus Darkness, Dragons und Minor Vampire

Nixon:

Arsenic
Lightning
Bone Wall
Miracle
Flying Weapon
Mummy
Titan
Pandemonium
Emerald Dragon
Psion
Devonian Dragon
Armagio
Catapult
Rustler
Druidic Staff

Bush:

Deflagration
Nymph's Tears
Earthquake
Fire Shield
Enchant Artifact
Purify
Immolation
Lobotomizer
Lava Golem
Mind Flayer
Rain of Fire
Momentum
Dune Scorpion
Forest Scorpion
Mutation

Decks:

3-0, 3:0
-Water/Fire Nymph's Tears/Deflag
-Scorpion Regenbogen mit Time mark (Dunes, Mind Flayer, Scorps)
-Earth/Fire (Golems/EQ)
-ich hatte noch so ein Water Air Fire Nymph's Tears trio

Draft B:

Roosevelt:

Deflagration
Fire Bolt
Sanctuary
Wings
Immolation
Owl's Eye
Lava Golem
Fahrenheit
Shockwave
Firefly Queen
Empathic Bond
Photon
Crimson Dragon
Freeze
Ice Dragon

Carter:

Discord
Antimatter
Reverse Time
Miracle
Nightmare
Purple Dragon
Lycanthrope
Butterfly Effect
Arctic Squid
Toadfish
Vampire Stiletto
Black Dragon
Abomination
Crusader
Quintessence

2-3
- ME
- MW/squids
- Entropy Splash RT

Kennedy:

Steal
Bonewall
Arsenic
Poison
Pandemonium
Unstable Gas
Rage Potion
Azure Dragon
Mummy
Voodoo Doll
Liquid Shadow
Steam Machine
Ice Shield
Sky Blitz
Dusk Mantle

3-0
- chrysaora/arsenic/poison
- BW/Poison/Steal
- 41 Karten, Ice Shield, CC + Steal, Heals...

Harrison:

Dimensional Shield
Earthquake
Lightning
Parallel Universe
Pulverizer
Adrenaline
Psion
Sundial
Golden Dragon
Iridium Warden
Stone Skin
Minor Vampire
Cloak
Emerald Dragon
Emerald Shield

3-0
Gravity/Earth Illegal deck (habe nur 1 warden gesehen)
Dim Shield/EQ/Lobo

Jackson:

Graboid
Nova
Momentum
Phoenix
Protect Artifact
Ghost of the Past
Eternity
Basilisk Blood
Fog Shield
Pharaoh
Golden Hourglass
Reflective Shield
Mind Flayer
Trident
Stone Dragon

Obama:

Devourer
Fractal
Nymph's Tears
Flying Weapon
Black Hole
Purify
Silence
Rain of Fire
Catapult
Titan
Acceleration
Horned Frog
Forest Scorpion
Nightfall
Phase Dragon
« Last Edit: October 27, 2012, 01:43:35 pm by plastiqe »

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1008649#msg1008649
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 07:42:34 am »
I don't like having declassified pads.  Whether it's War or another team event, pads are supposed to be private discussion and it makes me feel awkward writing there knowing that other people will read it later.

Especially having them declassified before the end.  What I've read here I've already seen and/or predicted as possible decks, but if there was a secret deck that I had only used against one team and was now declassified to everyone I'd feel horrible for letting my team down.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 07:49:59 am by Cheesy111 »

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1008654#msg1008654
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 08:17:22 am »
Since no one else wants to say much, I guess I will break the ice.  Wall of text incoming.

Spoiler for Things I enjoyed:
I had a lot of fun with this event, and I look forward to participating in the next one.  From the disappointment of having someone take a card you expected to last another round to the excitement of a bunch of tense battles, this event really kept me entertained.  Kudos to plastiqe for crawling out of his hole to host it.

Speaking of tense battles, I had some wonderfully close matches where a good choice of decks, a few simple mistakes, or a timely draw were enough to swing the victory.  And every time I do one of these events, I am amazed by what a wonderful community we have.  Every opponent was a pleasure to play against and made the event that much more enjoyable.

As for the team, I had originally wanted to get a team together first and join as a group, but then I might not have had the pleasure of teaming with Annamall.  He was a workhorse and the driving force of our team.  His creativity (32 card deckouter without RT/Eternity?) and commitment were extraordinary (take note, future Generals).  It was unfortunate that Jocko did not have much opportunity to contribute as RL commitments took him away from us too soon and kept him from participating as much as he would have liked, and he eventually chose to step aside.  I would also like to say thanks to ian for stepping in for a round when we were down a man and to ddevans, the Teammate Who Almost Was.

As for the event itself, I learned a lot by taking part.  Trying to find answers to the powerful card combinations your opponents had available was quite the challenge as was making do with the unsung heroes at hand.  Trying to guess what others would take was also complicated.

Spoiler for Possible issues:
I find it interesting that the top teams were all from the first half of their respective drafts.  At first glance, one might assume that early picks are the key to success, but history does not support that.  A glance at the teams will show that they are loaded with skilled PvPers, and I saw no evidence they were plagued by inactivity like some of the underperfoming teams.  I am curious if drafting early gave these great players an even greater edge, though.  Tough to say.

Although I consider it the most fair way of doing it, I did not enjoy the snaking draft.  Being able to pick multiple cards at once seems like it would make it much easier to select cards that are powerful in combination.  I am not sure that really played out to any great extent, but it seems like it could.

Spoiler for Changes/Things done differently:
I would like to see the card draft handled similarly to standard CCG draft, where each team is given a pack of cards, choose one, and pass it around.  Cards no one picks from a pack are available to everyone.  That might be better served as a different event, but I think that could be a lot of fun.  You are not quite sure what other teams are bringing.

Maybe you could add some elements to make it more like a fantasy football draft--bye weeks/waivers/trades.  Not sure the event lasts long enough for this, but a little something to spice up the repeat matches would be nice.  We had four matches in three rounds against the same team (could have been five).

tl;dr:  It was a fun event, and nothing really needs to change.

Side note:  We were the only team whose duration in the event was longer than their president's term.  I will call that a win.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 08:26:57 am by bjessee »
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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1008656#msg1008656
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 08:57:24 am »
Forgive the doubling up, but I do not think this belongs in my other post.

As a member of an eliminated team, I will agree with Cheesy on the declassification of TitanPads.  Intel on a team still playing should not be made public.  To me, it is roughly the equivalent of sharing information during the event (a rather one-sided trade, though).

We (by we, I mean Anna) put a lot of work into ideation and testing against our upcoming opponents.  To make that work available could disadvantage the teams we played.  Perhaps one of our opponents used a surprise deck or we managed to find a good counter using mostly undrafted cards.

I have no qualms about the information becoming available after the event, and it is too late to undo it, but I would prefer not to make it public until after the event has been completed.
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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1010237#msg1010237
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2012, 02:31:06 am »
Don't split the drafting into 2 groups..... it turns an otherwise fun event into a horrible one.

I'll draft Discord, so only I can use it.... what I lose to Discord????

What that team got a lot of good cards and there was nothing I could do about it???

Should have left it how it was.... Team PvP won't be for a long, long time now.. since this was Team PvP.

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1010248#msg1010248
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2012, 03:12:28 am »
Interesting that you noticed that just now.
Well, in your final battle you had 1 of 4 mirror matches. The problem is, that many teams are not balanced enough. If Purplue Dragon and Abomination wouldn't be picked by our teams, the tournament would be more balanced. And only discord didn't make the event oneside. I like your pvpskills and your ambition, thats why you are one of the most skilled pvp'er for me. The bigger challange is to find a deck that is hard to counter and similar to your own. Sorry I'm a bit muzzy xD

There were essentially 2 mirrors.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 03:31:16 am by majofa »
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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1010892#msg1010892
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2012, 01:01:35 am »
•What did you enjoy about this event?
I liked that it produced some interesting decks that I don't normally play with, due to only being able to use the cards you drafted and the leftover junk.

•What improvements would you like to see for next time?
The draft itself took a long time.  I think what happened was that the teams were arranged in a bad way with respect to time zone in our side (draft B), since draft A moved along quite a bit faster.  I'd like to see only one draft group to prevent this in the future, but that would prevent a full 12 teams from playing effectively (and I know this is why plastiqe made two draft groups in the first place, to allow more to participate).  I'd still suggest going with one group of 8 instead.

•What were the factors in your teams success or failures?
Success: Drafting Discord #1 helped a ton.  It was way better than either of our other top two choices that we were eyeing would've been. (dimshield and steal)  When drafting, we also took careful watch of what other people were leaning towards, and would either try to draft ahead of them anything they might want that we wanted, or to leave for future rounds anything we thought we wanted but that might be overlooked by others.  In a few cases, this worked well, as we were able to utilize maxwell's demon and dissipation shield as undrafted cards, and I used both of those quite often.  In other cases, it backfired; team obama drafted black hole right before we did.  We had left it alone because nobody else was touching gravity, and we already had discord.  We still have no idea why they drafted it, unless it was simply to deprive us of it.  A few other cards went immediately before we were going to take them; I remember pandemonium, bone wall, sanctuary, silence, and ghost of the past being some that this happened to us to, although the ghost we fully expected to be taken from us since we had just drafted nightmare.

Failures: Well, we got second, so we didn't fail too hard :p  (I think we only lost one match before the finals)  The reason we lost in the finals, though, was because team polk had managed to draft more 'power' cards than we did, and they as a result had a lot more deckbuilding options than we did.  In draft B, the 'power' cards were a little more evenly distributed.  (I realize I've somewhat obliquely insulted the draft skills of several teams in group A by this statement, and I apologize, but that's simply how I felt it turned out)

•What strategic advice would you give to future draft teams?
Don't do 'hate drafting'.  What I mean by that is picking a card not because you can use it, but because you want to deny it to someone else.  If you want to draft something that you know someone else wants, make sure you can actually make use of it.  Some teams drafted some good cards, but I know that they couldn't possibly have made any use of them because they had nothing else in element for them.  For example, team obama drafted rain of fire, which is in itself a good card, but it was the only fire card they drafted, and they drafted it after most of the other good fire stuff had already been taken, and I would be very surprised if they ever used it in any of their decks.

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1011324#msg1011324
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2012, 07:26:46 pm »
Decks from team Roosevelt:

Spoiler for Opening Round:
Calindu

vs. thispersonisagenius 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz45f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fe5i7z55l95on8pm

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz45f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz45f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

vs. Onizuka 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz35f05f4z15f6z55f9z55faz15fe5i7z55l95on8pm

vs. Jocko 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po



Cheesy111

vs. dragonsdemesne 2-3

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z45f0z55f4z25f5z25f6z25f7z55lmz85mq8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f4zC5giz15olz35onz55oo8pr

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f4zC5giz15olz35onz55oo8pr

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z45f0z55f4z25f5z25f6z25f7z55lmz85mq8po

Game 5: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

vs. Vangelios 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25f0z55f4z15f5z35f6z25f7z15giz55lmz85mq8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25f0z55f4z15f5z35f6z25f7z15giz55lmz85mq8po

Game 5:

vs. AnnaMall 3-2

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=zB4vcz34vdz34vgz34viz750uz25f0z55f4z35f6z25f7z25gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=zB4vcz34vdz34vgz34viz750uz25f0z55f4z35f6z25f7z25gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 5: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Oa

vs. majofa 1-3

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z45f0z55f4z25f5z25f7z55lmzB5mq8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z35bvz35c6z25lkzB5ocz55oj5ol8pn

vs. regen2k9 0-3

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z65f0z15f2z55f4z15f6z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25f0z55f4z25f5z25f6z25f7z15giz55lmz85mq8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z25f0z55f4z25f5z25f6z25f7z15giz55lmz85mq8po


vs. hainkarga 3-2

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z25f2z25f6z25fez65giz15olz25onz25oo8pr

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 5: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po


vs. nilsieboy 3-1

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez75gi8po

Spoiler for Group Round:
Cheesy111

vs. majofa 2-3

Game 1: 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5ol 5ol 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 8pr

Game 2: 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i7 5i8 5i8 5i8 5id 5id 5id 5id 5id 5id 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 8pp

Game 3: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5i7 5i7 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm

Game 4: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5fe 5i7 5i7 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm

Game 5: 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5ol 5ol 5on 5on 5on 5on 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 5oo 8pr

vs. thispersonisagenius 3-0
Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm
Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z65f0z15f2z55f4z15f6z25f7z15fez75gi8po
Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

vs. Odii Odsen 3-2

Game 1: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5l9 5l9 5l9 8po

Game 2: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5l9 5l9 5l9 8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z55f4zC5giz15olz35onz55oo8pr

Game 4: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 5: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=55tz45f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l98pm

PlayerOa

vs. Coffeeditto 3-1

Game 1:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5i7 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5on 5on 8pm

Game 2:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 3:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 4:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

vs. Vangelios 3-0

Game 1:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 2:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 3:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

vs. Laxadarap 3-1

Game 1:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 2:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5i7 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5on 5on 8pm

Game 3:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 4:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

vs. summerz88 3-1

Game 1:
5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5i8 5id 5id 5id 5id 5id 5id 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 8pr

Game 2:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 3:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Game 4:
5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po

Calindu

vs. Jenkar 0-3

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=zD5i4z45i8z55idz45on8pr

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

vs. hainkarga 3-1

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz35f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l95on8pm

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz35f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l95on8pm

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

vs. bpculture 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz35f0z15f6z55f9z55faz15fez15i7z55l95on8pm

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

vs. AnnaMall 3-0

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz75f0z25f2z55f4z25f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z44sj4soz84vcz54vdz34vgz14viz750uz15f0z55f4z25f6z15f7z25gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

Spoiler for Quaterfinals:
Cheesy111 (3-2)

vs. bjessee

G1: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5i7 5i7 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm
LOSS vs Life Domin

G2: 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5ol 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pn
WIN vs Iridium/Stone Skin/Lightning

G3: 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po
WIN vs Light PUgons

G4: 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4vd 4vd 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vi 4vi 4vi 4vi 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5f7 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po
LOSS vs Light PUgons (very close)

5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 8po
WIN vs Life Domin

Calindu (3-1)

vs. AnnaMall

Game 1: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po Loss

Game 2: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po

Game 3: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=z44sj4soz84vcz54vdz34vgz14viz750uz15f0z55f4z25f6z15f7z25gi8po

Game 4: http://elementscommunity.org/tools/deck/?deck=4soz65f0z25f2z55f4z15f6z15f7z15fez65gi8po


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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1011330#msg1011330
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2012, 07:51:10 pm »
Thanks for the feedback everybody.  : )

Here is the timeline for the event:
Sept 3 - Sept 7
Sept 7 - Sept 19/21
Sept 19/21 - Sept 29
Sept 29 - Oct 11
Oct 11 - Oct 26
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Sign ups
Card Drafting
Opening Round
Group Round
Elimination Tournament
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Almost two months is longer than I would have liked.  Three man constructed teams as opposed to captain drafting had several purposes, but among them was speeding up the entire process.  I wanted to do two drafts because generally the card picking phase is everyone's favourite part and having smaller teams and more teams gave more players an opportunity to get involved.  There is something to be said for the All Star Pvper Teams that ended up dominating the event, so teams might be more mixed between veterans and noobs next time.

I would like to pick more cards next time.  I'm thinking of adding extra rounds where you get 3 picks in a row because there were still many useful cards among each sides undrafted.  So it might be like picks 1-54 are singles, 55 to 90 are doubles and then 91-150 are triples.  I also have an idea for like an unofficial live booster drafting event that could be a test run to see how difficult it would be to do at least some of the drafting live next time.  So maybe I'd pick a Saturday after sign ups and do live drafting for at least the single picks.  I might ban Discord next time, we'll see.  Draft IV probably needs a new rule giving 10 Men's team a penalty to even the playing field for the rest of the players too.  : P

I was pretty happy with the World Cup format for matches, it was especially useful to be eliminating teams because players went AFK or the team just didn't work out or whatever.  Stuff happens but at least the whole event wasn't held back by a few players this time.  I might bring back "trading" where after the opening round and the group round the top teams get to steal cards from the bottom teams as they are eliminated, which would be a reward for playing well in the early rounds.

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Re: Draft III, Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44053.msg1011334#msg1011334
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2012, 08:02:08 pm »
There is something to be said for the All Star Pvper Teams that ended up dominating the event, so teams might be more mixed between veterans and noobs next time.

Personally, I think this is why we need a player draft - to balance teams.

I was pretty happy with the World Cup format for matches, it was especially useful to be eliminating teams because players went AFK or the team just didn't work out or whatever.  Stuff happens but at least the whole event wasn't held back by a few players this time.  I might bring back "trading" where after the opening round and the group round the top teams get to steal cards from the bottom teams as they are eliminated, which would be a reward for playing well in the early rounds.

The world cup style is definitely better than the previous format. Trading should return as a transfer of drafted cards from eliminated teams to everyone else.
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