Would ETG benefit from a set of new Creatures?

[Jyiber]

Let me elaborate. I'm thinking a set of mid-sized, vanilla, skill-less creatures that all cost roughly the same like dragons. They'd all have their stats and costs tweaked to fit a new creature for their element of that size.

The concept is to have them be about 1/2 scale with dragons. The the theme would be for a creature that could have many different versions to fit different elements, like dragons.

Example unupped costs + stats for these creatures: (please agree and/or dissagree)

4   4|4

5   5|3

5   3|8

5 4|5

4   4|5

5   6|1

7   6|6

5   5|3

5   5|3

5   5|3

5 5|3

5   3|1  immaterial

[OldTrees]

Key to this post:
Name = This creature is very similar to your current example for this element
Name? = This creature might be considered similar

Immortal, Wyrm?, Gargoyle, Mummy, Hematite Golem, Abomination, Lava Golem, Charger, Cockatrice, Archangel, Ghost?, Toadfish

[Nepycros]

Key to this post:

I've been away for awhile. Nice to see you're as methodical as ever, OT.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Where exactly do these cards fit in ETG, in terms of niche? A few bear rather close similarities to the above cards OT listed, though I can see a possible co-niche like Frog/Cockatrice and Phoenix/Seraph (though one card would likely remain used more often when compared to the other.) Some elements like and already have 2 creatures occupying close niches statwise and it may not be wise to add a third card that functions similar to them.

[Jyiber]

Key to this post:
Name = This creature is very similar to your current example for this element
Name? = This creature might be considered similar

Immortal, Wyrm?, Gargoyle, Mummy, Hematite Golem, Abomination, Lava Golem, Charger, Cockatrice, Archangel, Ghost?, Toadfish

See that was what I was looking for. So what stat adjustments would create unique creatures for their element? I think because of some similarities, I might have to take them out of the mid-range cost concept.

[furballdn]

Let me elaborate. I'm thinking a set of mid-sized, vanilla, skill-less creatures that all cost roughly the same like dragons. They'd all have their stats and costs tweaked to fit a new creature for their element of that size.

The concept is to have them be about 1/2 scale with dragons. The the theme would be for a creature that could have many different versions to fit different elements, like dragons.

Example unupped costs + stats for these creatures: (please agree and/or dissagree)

4   4|4
Feels too much like abomination
5   5|3
Weaker version of mummy
5   3|8
I feel this is just as bad as graviton mercneary
5 4|5
Way too close and weaker than hematite golem
4   4|5
Life is about cheap creatures. Not about inefficient ones
5   6|1
Feels like phoenix
7   6|6
Not sure if light needs something like this. They have peggy and sader already, and upped archangel fits this role
5   5|3
Not sure air needs midrange either. It has wyrm and firefly
5   5|3
Weaker than toadfish
5   5|3
Don't think time needs any midrange either. It has ghosts
5 5|3
Gargoyle
5   3|1  immaterial
For 1 more cost, I could pay for an immortal

[OldTrees]

Key to this post:
Name = This creature is very similar to your current example for this element
Name? = This creature might be considered similar

Immortal, Wyrm?, Gargoyle, Mummy, Hematite Golem, Abomination, Lava Golem, Charger, Cockatrice, Archangel, Ghost?, Toadfish

See that was what I was looking for. So what stat adjustments would create unique creatures for their element? I think because of some similarities, I might have to take them out of the mid-range cost concept.

There is a wiki you can use to find out the stats of each creature.
Ex:
 
Unupped        Upped
1 1|1        1 1|1
3 3|3        1 2|2
4 5|3        3 6|3
8 7|8        8 8|9
10 10|5    10 11|5
The only gap big enough to mention (4) is 4 attack upgraded. No gap unupped.

[dragonsdemesne]

The idea is good, but your exact numbers are, in most cases, seriously underpowered, especially for vanilla creatures.  You should compare your values to currently existing cards; many of them are strictly worse than existing cards.  For instance, would you rather use a 4 cost hematite golem that is 4/6, or a weaker 4/5 creature costing 5 ?  It's pretty much a no-brainer.

4   4|4  Boring, but it would be a fair card.  It would be hard to justify over abomination, though.

5   5|3  Will never ever see play due being strictly worse than mummy

5   3|8  Will never see play due to chargers and even graviton mercenary being better

5 4|5 Will never see play, strictly worse than hematite golem

4   4|5  Will never see play, worse than frog/cockatrice

5   6|1  Weak, but could conceivably see a bit of play

7   6|6 This is your best one by far, because light has nothing like this unupped

5   5|3  Probably won't see play, overshadowed by wyrm

5   5|3 Will never see play, strictly worse than toadfish

5   5|3  Weak compared to ghost of the past, but could conceivably see some play

5 5|3 Will never see play, strictly worse than gargoyle

5   3|1  immaterial  This one could conceivably see play as a cheaper version of immortal, but immortal is already basically a vanilla creature in the same vein

[Jyiber]

4   4|6

5   6|2

5   3|10

5 5|7

3   3|6

5   6|1

7   6|6

5   6|2 airborne

5   6|2

4   5|3

4 5|3

4   3|1  immaterial


Better at all?

[OldTrees]

Better at all?

Yes, but still problematic. The goal of a vanilla or semi vanilla creature is to bridge a gap in the stats. The only ones that do that are:
  (unupped only) and (unupped only if Wyrm does not count)

[furballdn]

4   4|6
Abomination with 1 less attack, 1 less cost, and 1 more hp. Yay.
5   6|2
Death already has enough mid range hitters (recluse and mummy)
5   3|10
Worse than graviton mercenary!
5 5|7
So just hematite with +1 to everything?
3   3|6
Why does life need ANOTHER low hitter?
5   6|1
Too similar to phoenix.
7   6|6
Fills in midrange hitter for unupped light, but upped has archangel
5   6|2 airborne
Assuming Wyrm doesn't count as a midrange hitter, this can be okay, but there's plenty of good card ideas of a mid range hitter for air with a neat ability as well
5   6|2
I really don't feel water needs this
4   5|3
This one? Maybe. Time does lack a bit in the middle range, but vanilla? Surely there can be some decent ability to add
4 5|3
Why hello gargoyle with one less cost and no ability!
4   3|1  immaterial
This cost should be around 5, since immortality is a 1.5 multiplier to atk. Aether also doesn't need more immaterial creatures. Aether also fills the lower end gap with spark, psion, and flesh spider

Better at all?

[Jyiber]

I give up.