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« on: May 02, 2011, 07:45:46 am »
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 06:35:54 pm »
So it looks like mind has an (almost) unanimous vote in the Idea Factory.
This is probably because they are not taking mechanics (the taboo of a 13th quanta pool, the sparkle of spirit's interesting cost mechanics) into account.
Mind is the best element because, unlike "spirit" and "sacrifice", you can create cards in the Mind element that all connect with mind. All the 12 elements share the same cost mechanic, yet all the cards within an element do not have a common mechanic between them. Therefore, such things such as cost mechanics should be held for cards (Sacrifice- Immolation, Virus) as opposed to the basis of a 13th element.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 06:52:26 pm »
I like to keep an eye on actual implementation of the idea. A 13th quanta pool is unlikely at best, while intresting mechanics and a whole element that uses different costs can, potentially, be implemented. I know this is a theoretical experiment and a startpoint for the whole Factory, but especially for this reason I think having an eye on the final product is in order.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 06:40:43 pm »
Thank you for your inputs.
Final tally:
Essence: 2
Spirit: 1 (result of this poll)
Mind: 6
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 07:05:07 pm »
Should we link possible Mind card possibilities here? Many Other cards could, in fact be good Mind mechanics, once tweaked.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 07:13:53 pm »
Should we link possible Mind card possibilities here? Many Other cards could, in fact be good Mind mechanics, once tweaked.
You may. Make sure that you understand what the Mind Element is about first. We will not promise to include them but I will show them (or a subset if this thread gets flooded with them) to the Idea Factory.
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 04:55:25 am »
Just a rough idea: (note: I am using :underworld to represent Mind quanta)

Wandering Mind / Wandering Identity
6 :underworld / 5 :underworld (I'm not sure about exactly what it should cost)
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 :underworld (What should the ability name be?): Target creature attacks in the same manner as Wandering Mind/Identity this turn.

This basically makes the target creature attack like a Wandering Mind, and with the same result. A list of things influenced by this ability:
Miss/hit
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Attack number
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EDIT: Changed the ability name from something that made no sense.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2011, 01:47:42 am »
I'd like to remind users not part of the Idea Factory that is a great place to suggest things for projects we are working on like the Element of Mind and possible images we could use.

If you have any feedback/suggestions for Mind and other Idea Factory projects, post them here!

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2011, 01:54:41 am »
i know its already decided what the cards will be, but i do have a few ideas for mind.

card:
psyonic wave blast
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target creature and 2 surrounding creatures are lobotomized.
i talked to oldtrees about this one and he said the cards were already decided, but i decided to post it here anyway (i didnt know of this thread at the time). if its still impossible, i will amend it to what he suggested and post it as an aether card idea.

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2011, 02:09:12 am »
In the list of Mind cards that was suggested, one seemed to be missing:  Mind Control.  Probably would have to be for a limited number of turns, though.

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2011, 02:10:33 am »
In the list of Mind cards that was suggested, one seemed to be missing:  Mind Control.  Probably would have to be for a limited number of turns, though.
1 problem with a Temporary mind control card - Immolation. It's one of the reasons such a card hasn't worked well in most other elements, as well as being slightly frowned upon by the community.

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2011, 02:17:00 am »
In the list of Mind cards that was suggested, one seemed to be missing:  Mind Control.  Probably would have to be for a limited number of turns, though.
1 problem with a Temporary mind control card - Immolation. It's one of the reasons such a card hasn't worked well in most other elements, as well as being slightly frowned upon by the community.
To add on to what ZBlader said:

Temp Mind Control is one of the very simple but extremely difficult mechanics to balance. It is in a tier of difficulty that I reward Rep to great quality attempts. During our brainstorming we felt that a more subtle manipulation (Mind Hunter's Hypnosis) would be a better effect than temporary mind control.
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