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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1007841#msg1007841
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2012, 06:09:48 pm »
You are suggesting the Acceleration aspect of Gravity.

Only because of the names. I could call Inertia "Fire power" and say it is :fire, or call force shield "Pacifier" and stick it in :water. I am thinking that it is very much so the theme of the Element that needs to be tweaked. I was merely suggesting the core of my idea, using a theme we had already discussed.
Only because of the names Inertia, Acceleration, Force and Gravity.
The core of your idea (the technique) is still good.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1007890#msg1007890
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2012, 09:36:09 pm »
Ill point out here again, that gravity is a kind of force, not the other ways around. If anything, gravity is a subset of force.

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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1007900#msg1007900
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2012, 10:22:04 pm »
Ill point out here again, that gravity is a kind of force, not the other ways around. If anything, gravity is a subset of force.
I don't think anyone is disputing the direction of the relationship.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1007901#msg1007901
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2012, 10:36:28 pm »
however, gravity is listed as an element already.  if you disagree with his design, take it up with zanz.  as it stands, gravity is more or less the 'force element'. as well as the 'mech element', given the aesthetics of many of the cards (and also catapult), however, as others have pointed out, steam machine is in water/fire, so gravity doesnt have a complete monopoly on technology.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008580#msg1008580
« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2012, 04:22:33 am »
however, gravity is listed as an element already.  if you disagree with his design, take it up with zanz.  as it stands, gravity is more or less the 'force element'. as well as the 'mech element', given the aesthetics of many of the cards (and also catapult), however, as others have pointed out, steam machine is in water/fire, so gravity doesnt have a complete monopoly on technology.
That doesn't mean a future world/AU elements could heavily rely on technology - as a parallel example, Mirrodin is an MTG set that focuses heavily on artifacts (many of them colorless) but also relates to all five colors.

We may not necessarily use all of the following themes but I've decided to compile a list to see what we've suggested so far.

A spell-based element.
A permanent-focused element(s). (Wood, Metal)
An element that focuses heavily on technology/futuristic machines not within Gravity's level of advancement. (Tech)
A direct opposite to Mind. (Body, Strength, Tech)
An element that focuses on stacking. (Strength)
An element that focuses on distribution of generated counters that can double as a quanta. (Astral)
An element that embodies concepts such as kinetics. (Force)
Magnetism
Pursuit of Knowledge

My 2 cents : Themes suggested so far seem to be falling within  :aether :gravity :life :earth characteristics. (Not necessarily a bad thing.)

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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008666#msg1008666
« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2012, 11:20:30 am »
well, a few ideas.

Polarity, which would fit well in Magnetism.

Negation/Inversion, which is based around cancellation of actions and reversing the flow of things.

Humanity, which is an element to itself, that which can use the elements.

Mathematics or Geometry, in that mathematics is an elemental description of the universe.


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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008668#msg1008668
« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2012, 11:56:46 am »
Mathematics or Geometry, in that mathematics is an elemental description of the universe.

Um.....the problem is, who would use it? Besides, a 'description of the universe' is basically an element as it is a part of the creation of the world.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008684#msg1008684
« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2012, 01:51:24 pm »
Mathematics or Geometry, in that mathematics is an elemental description of the universe.

Um.....the problem is, who would use it? Besides, a 'description of the universe' is basically an element as it is a part of the creation of the world.

well, a lot of people would. Just like people use gravity or time. Its fundamental, elemental.

It really comes down to the kinds of cards that are created, the rest is just thematic. You could even call it 'space' as in physical space, not interdimensional space like aether.


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3x
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Create 3 copies of target crreature


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Division
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Split creature in two, with the same abilities and traits but exactly half HP and ATT on each one.


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Pi
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Must be in play for certain Math cards to be played.


There is a lot of potential for a Math or Geometry element, and it doesnt fit much of anything.

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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008686#msg1008686
« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2012, 02:16:10 pm »
There is a lot of potential for a Math or Geometry element, and it doesnt fit much of anything.
Can I use math with only  :aether quanta? Yes.

Math is not an element because it is universally available as knowledge.

Not all nouns fit as elements.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008699#msg1008699
« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2012, 03:43:17 pm »
Well, what about a joke element, like Poo or Goo ? :P Just asking.
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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008760#msg1008760
« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2012, 09:55:41 pm »
There is a lot of potential for a Math or Geometry element, and it doesnt fit much of anything.
Can I use math with only  :aether quanta? Yes.

Math is not an element because it is universally available as knowledge.

Not all nouns fit as elements.

I dont think so,  :aether is just too mystical, too interdimensional. Math is more grounded.

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Re: PROJECT : The 14th Element https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43487.msg1008790#msg1008790
« Reply #59 on: October 18, 2012, 12:11:28 am »
Poo is a part of earth and goo is a part of life.

Still, would anyone play as math? And really math is equated in all elements so it doesn't count.
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