PROJECT Gaian vs Cthonic : The Elemental Factions [Archive]

[Annele]

the reason i suggested it is because all of the other elements mostly exist in opposite pairs (even if they are a bit tenuous like  / ) so it would make sense for the 14th to pair with the 13th.  in fact, ive heard that argument used against there being a 13th element, people say it would necessitate the creation of an opposite 14th.

(Time and Gravity aren't opposites )

Though, if we can, I do like the idea of having it an opposite to the Mind element. Either way works for me though.

[AnonymousRevival]

opposite to mind.........physical?

[russianspy1234]

the reason i suggested it is because all of the other elements mostly exist in opposite pairs (even if they are a bit tenuous like  / ) so it would make sense for the 14th to pair with the 13th.  in fact, ive heard that argument used against there being a 13th element, people say it would necessitate the creation of an opposite 14th.

(Time and Gravity aren't opposites )

Though, if we can, I do like the idea of having it an opposite to the Mind element. Either way works for me though.

tenuous enough that i can mix them up it seems... we can always make whatever a 14th and save the 15th and 16th element projects to be the opposites of those two.

[OldTrees]

the reason i suggested it is because all of the other elements mostly exist in opposite pairs (even if they are a bit tenuous like  / ) so it would make sense for the 14th to pair with the 13th.  in fact, ive heard that argument used against there being a 13th element, people say it would necessitate the creation of an opposite 14th.

(Time and Gravity aren't opposites )

Though, if we can, I do like the idea of having it an opposite to the Mind element. Either way works for me though.

tenuous enough that i can mix them up it seems... we can always make whatever a 14th and save the 15th and 16th element projects to be the opposites of those two.

Order vs Entropy
Spacial vs Temporal

[Annele]

opposite to mind.........physical?

That would even more enforce a tech-type element.

[moomoose]

my 2 on finding the opposite to 'mind'- mind is not set in stone as a 13th element, clearly, it was just a proposed one.  limiting the choices of what element you want to form next to those that would be opposite of the previously chosen element, which was designed without any such restraints, doesnt seem like it would be beneficial to the designing of a new element.

short version- mind isnt an element, so think freely about what element you think would be cool to work on, but would suggest coming up with something that is distinct from what is already in the game, given that that *does* have some bearing on potential new elements.

[Elbirn]

A "Tech" or "Science" element could be interesting, but doesn't seem very....elemental, to me. Maybe it'd be better for science/techy ideas to be incorporated into already existing elements instead?

As for this whole concept of coming up with a new element....It seems very difficult. It appears that all the bases have already been covered, from simplistic, earthly, nearly pagan-esque elements, to the grandiosity  of space time and the fabric of the universe. (   ) The best idea I've been able to come up with thus far is "Will", or maybe referring to Tech as the "Knowledge" element, but I think those are nearly identical to "Mind". :/

Tech could be "Metal", drawing inspiration from the ancient chinese elements. There's also "Spirit", ala ancient Japanese elements. "The Boundless" ala Ancient Greek Philosophy would be interesting, or "Void", but I believe both are the same thing as Aether.

[storyteller]

I was going for something similar here, with a 'gearbits' instead of quanta

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,40562.0.html

[ZephyrPhantom]

It seems the general consensus is heading for a Tech-based element.  Are there any other routes we want to go or is Tech good for everyone?

[storyteller]

sounds great

as you mentioned, a nice permanent might be :

Artillery Cannon | Blast cannon
?? cost
Permanent

:element :element deal 3(or so, maybe 5?) damage directly to opponent, bypasses shields (as per trebuchet)

in other words, as you mentioned, a permanent that deals direct damage in line with a medium creature.

[OldTrees]

It seems the general consensus is heading for a Tech-based element.  Are there any other routes we want to go or is Tech good for everyone?

It would need an elemental theme. Tech can be the strategy but Tech is a composite and thus not an element IMO.

See Gravity as an example:
Elemental theme: Gravity / Order
Strategy: Heavy, Tech, or Momentum

[ZephyrPhantom]

It seems the general consensus is heading for a Tech-based element.  Are there any other routes we want to go or is Tech good for everyone?

It would need an elemental theme. Tech can be the strategy but Tech is a composite and thus not an element IMO.

See Gravity as an example:
Elemental theme: Gravity / Order
Strategy: Heavy, Tech, or Momentum

Tech is an element of Metal that utilizes Mechanical machines that are likely to be Electrically powered and come from the Future.

Is this really just strategy with some thematic extensions or a theme that could be composed into an element? (Mind is an element of Perception that relies on Confusion and Illusory techniques, though some cards focus more on Creation and Healing.)