Cestus

[Absol]

15 damage with 3 card combo. Is this OP?
Compare previous version, 24 damage 3 card combo.
Total quanta used for both: 3 + 1 + 3 .

[furballdn]

15 damage with 3 card combo. Is this OP?
Compare previous version, 24 damage 3 card combo.
Total quanta used for both: 3 + 1 + 3 .

Math time yay!

:3 rainbow + 1 + 3 + 3 cards for 15 damage unupped
:3 rainbow + 1 + 3 + 3 cards for 13 damage upped

How much is that worth? Probably around 8 .

Let's compare to other flying things. Like bow.
:2 rainbow + 1 + 3 + 3 cards for 12 (16 with air mark) unupped
:2 rainbow + 1 + 3 + 3 cards for 12 (15 with air mark) upped

If we look at it like this, Cestus in a rainbow is perfectly balanced.

But

My main concern is the fact that buffs would be twice as effective.

3 + 1 + 1 + 3 cards for an average of 14 damage.
3 + 1 + 2 + 4 cards for an average of 20 damage.

I should compare to something like vampire dagger.

2 + 1 + 1 + 3 cards for an average of 9 damage and 9 healing.
2 + 1 + 2 + 4 cards for an average of 12 damage and 12 healing.

The element it is in is also quite important. If it were , it could be used in a flying weapon deck with novas. If it were , it'd have mono access to blessing and sader. It it were , would it read on vamp dagger? It it were in gravity it could benefit by giving it offense in exchange for sacrificing a bad shield, but would that tread on flying titans?


tl;dr: I really have no idea with all the above I just wrote. Playtesting would most likely help or maybe OldTrees can shed some insight.

[OldTrees]

I probably should really reword it. "Gain 1 extra attack when no shield is equipped". That way, adren will only grant 5 attacks max, 15 damage. Would this still be OP if it was in other though?

I think it would need too high an other cost for the permanent mass doubled attack.
That would be a fair way to stack with adrenaline though.

[furballdn]

Preliminary testing with this:

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6rk 6rk 6rk 6rk 6rk 6rk 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pq

(To mimic the cost of a 3 cestus, I cast AW twice before playing longsword. I then record what the damage cestus would do in a separate place to record. It seems that flying buffed cestus is about 1 turn faster than swords. Swords seem to be 6TTW and flying cestii seem to be 5 TTW)

I'd appreciate if someone could test something like this:

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6rk 6rk 6rk 6rk 6rk 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jo 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7jv 7k5 7k5 7k5 7k5 7k5 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pq

My first choice for Cestus is an other card, if it can be proved it's OP, I'll try and decide which element could best use it.

EDIT: holy 4 TTW. That's what happens when every single CP gave +5atk.

[Absol]

Why did this just hit me?

Cestus is comparable to Wyrm. Its effect is basically "auto-dive when you have no shield".

[furballdn]

Why did this just hit me?

Cestus is comparable to Wyrm. Its effect is basically "auto-dive when you have no shield".

Yup. Although it has less attack, and attacking an extra time is slightly different than dive.

[ARTHANASIOS]

I think it as a dual weapon, in order to hold a melee weapon in each of your hand and attack two times instead of one, you must not hold any shields at the same time. We have already an other weapon in the Crucible (Wrist Blade) with a similar mechanic (dual wield) and it is an card with a +1 buff to its attack if you have a mark. So, I think and vote for the Other element, but with a damage bonus if you have a , , mark.