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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425355#msg425355
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 06:56:42 pm »
Nitpick: add the IMG tag to the code.

Also, updated with my entry. I guess that covers up my two possible submissions, although most of the text is copy-pasted from one to the other with little changes. :/ Can I sum it up and make a double table with two cards and a single description? Even if they count as two submissions, at least you don't have to look at the same text twice ;)
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425374#msg425374
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 07:37:00 pm »
Nitpick: add the IMG tag to the code.

Also, updated with my entry. I guess that covers up my two possible submissions, although most of the text is copy-pasted from one to the other with little changes. :/ Can I sum it up and make a double table with two cards and a single description? Even if they count as two submissions, at least you don't have to look at the same text twice ;)
I am planning on putting the text in spoilers beneath the images when we get to the voting stage. If you make a double table, I will convert it back for the voting phase.

I cannot read your mind but are those separate suggestion/submissions? The notes and solution sections might indicate otherwise.
"This card should be evaluated alongside Forest Guardian | Forest Protector for the similar and interacting mechanics."
"By introducing this / these cards into the game"
In general I do not expect the Notes or Solution sections to be identical for any pair of submissions.
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425384#msg425384
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 07:50:27 pm »
Nitpick: add the IMG tag to the code.

Also, updated with my entry. I guess that covers up my two possible submissions, although most of the text is copy-pasted from one to the other with little changes. :/ Can I sum it up and make a double table with two cards and a single description? Even if they count as two submissions, at least you don't have to look at the same text twice ;)
I am planning on putting the text in spoilers beneath the images when we get to the voting stage. If you make a double table, I will convert it back for the voting phase.

I cannot read your mind but are those separate suggestion/submissions? The notes and solution sections might indicate otherwise.
"This card should be evaluated alongside Forest Guardian | Forest Protector for the similar and interacting mechanics."
"By introducing this / these cards into the game"
In general I do not expect the Notes or Solution sections to be identical for any pair of submissions.
Yeah, that was my point. I'd like to have those two cards as a single submission (as they are thought as two separate cards that work together - for instance, as Thalas has noted in the Treefolk thread, its ability is rather weak if only Treefolk is introduced and needs rebalancing), but they are two standalone cards. :/ Perhaps they should be counted as a single submission in the polls but to avoid me submitting three cards instead of two they "use up" both my submission entries?

I might just go ahead and separate them into different concepts altogether, although I do like the interaction more than the actual ideas...
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425391#msg425391
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 08:01:48 pm »
I see a bunch of cards coming up. Im pretty excited.

On a note related to Mormegil's questions.

I have two cards that operated off the same mechanic Zebra and Painted stripes (the mechanic being your creatures give other creatures a chance to avoid damage.) can i make the mechanic itself the submission and put both those cards under the one mechanic submission? I have a bunch of life card ideas and I would like to focus on the main mechanics that i think would be helpful. Or do they count as separate submissions?

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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425406#msg425406
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 08:26:11 pm »
Nitpick: add the IMG tag to the code.

Also, updated with my entry. I guess that covers up my two possible submissions, although most of the text is copy-pasted from one to the other with little changes. :/ Can I sum it up and make a double table with two cards and a single description? Even if they count as two submissions, at least you don't have to look at the same text twice ;)
I am planning on putting the text in spoilers beneath the images when we get to the voting stage. If you make a double table, I will convert it back for the voting phase.

I cannot read your mind but are those separate suggestion/submissions? The notes and solution sections might indicate otherwise.
"This card should be evaluated alongside Forest Guardian | Forest Protector for the similar and interacting mechanics."
"By introducing this / these cards into the game"
In general I do not expect the Notes or Solution sections to be identical for any pair of submissions.
Yeah, that was my point. I'd like to have those two cards as a single submission (as they are thought as two separate cards that work together - for instance, as Thalas has noted in the Treefolk thread, its ability is rather weak if only Treefolk is introduced and needs rebalancing), but they are two standalone cards. :/ Perhaps they should be counted as a single submission in the polls but to avoid me submitting three cards instead of two they "use up" both my submission entries?

I might just go ahead and separate them into different concepts altogether, although I do like the interaction more than the actual ideas...
Yeess... You can have the two cards as a single submission but count as both. You obviously would want to discuss why you chose that in the Solution section. However I do not understand why two standalone card suggestions would not be able to stand alone. Since the core of your idea is the interaction you might want to consider discussing the pros and cons of the implementation you finally decide upon.

I see a bunch of cards coming up. Im pretty excited.

On a note related to Mormegil's questions.

I have two cards that operated off the same mechanic Zebra and Painted stripes (the mechanic being your creatures give other creatures a chance to avoid damage.) can i make the mechanic itself the submission and put both those cards under the one mechanic submission? I have a bunch of life card ideas and I would like to focus on the main mechanics that i think would be helpful. Or do they count as separate submissions?
Your case is a lot easier to rule on. Examine the Pros and Cons between the two implementations of Striped (Creature passive ability, Mass teaching spell). Then submit the better one.* Determining an ideal implementation of a core effect is an important part of card design. This way you will submit the best 2 implementations of the main mechanics you come up with. It may be the case the Zebra and Painted Stripes are better than your other ideas. In that case I would suggest submitting them both separately.

*I know there is not a lot of time to do this in depth. I investigated different implementations of Ambush over a few months.
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425415#msg425415
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 08:46:04 pm »
I'm gonna sleep on this. I might just change the two into two different standalone cards (they work pretty well even without the other, in fact). However, the interaction of the two is... particular. I will probably add more to this tomorrow in any case.
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425434#msg425434
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 09:34:02 pm »
NotesThis will occur whenever a :life creature is played (playing normally, TU, Mitosis, etc...) Mutation and Fate Egg don't count as they are transformation effects.

Energy | Vitality's ability doesn't trigger other Energies or Vitalities, but it does stack.
ProblemLife is often plagued with various problems involving CC. A well-timed Rain of Fire can wipe out a deck based solely on Mitosis, and life decks often fall short in card advantage due to PC and CC carried in decks.
SolutionThis card counters CC by giving Life players card advantage when a creature is played, as well as forcing the opponent to use CC on an ever-growing number of Frogs. When faced with AoE CC, a single creature can help retain the damage per turn and card advantage needed to beat the opponent.

Pros
Easy to rebound from enemy CC due to card advantage.
Stacks - multiple copies are increasingly useful.
Relatively fair price given the possible advantage when used correctly.
Cons
Reliant on early draw - early/continuos PC can nullify the card advantage if there aren't enough copies in play.
Ineffective against DR shields.


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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425500#msg425500
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2011, 11:29:51 pm »
I see a bunch of cards coming up. Im pretty excited.

On a note related to Mormegil's questions.

I have two cards that operated off the same mechanic Zebra and Painted stripes (the mechanic being your creatures give other creatures a chance to avoid damage.) can i make the mechanic itself the submission and put both those cards under the one mechanic submission? I have a bunch of life card ideas and I would like to focus on the main mechanics that i think would be helpful. Or do they count as separate submissions?
Your case is a lot easier to rule on. Examine the Pros and Cons between the two implementations of Striped (Creature passive ability, Mass teaching spell). Then submit the better one.* Determining an ideal implementation of a core effect is an important part of card design. This way you will submit the best 2 implementations of the main mechanics you come up with. It may be the case the Zebra and Painted Stripes are better than your other ideas. In that case I would suggest submitting them both separately.

*I know there is not a lot of time to do this in depth. I investigated different implementations of Ambush over a few months.
Gotcha, I think i will try to go with ideas for this competition that fix problems more broadly. rather than cards that are just immune to some of life's problems. there are a couple of problems that could be fixed. I think it will be best to focus on 1 or 2 solutions.

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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg425562#msg425562
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2011, 01:47:58 am »
NotesSnipe deals 3 damage to any target-able creature for 3 damage.
ProblemLife is a diverse and powerful element, but it has one glaring flaw. Life has very little, if no control at all. Pesky enemy creatures are nearly invincible when going up against a deck filled with life cards. Life needs something to curb its opponent's creatures
SolutionElven archer and Elven Ranger have the same ability as Owl's eye, at the same cost. This enables them to easily pick off enemy creatures with ease as long as they are supplied with :air. The elves also have average stats, so they can be used as small fighters even when there isn't much air quanta to cast their useful ability.
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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg427859#msg427859
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2011, 05:39:37 pm »
Its getting harder and harder to decide what my entries should be.  ;D

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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg427860#msg427860
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2011, 05:43:44 pm »
thank god (or Oldtrees?) that this competition don't need art!    :D

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Re: Life Card Competition. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33609.msg427989#msg427989
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2011, 10:42:54 pm »
Without even looking at most of this, I can say this: Permanent Control. There is none of it in Life, and I do need some in Dragtosis.

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