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Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025953#msg1025953
« on: December 27, 2012, 03:29:45 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
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24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non- :fire type dragons. Win the game.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 05:46:04 am by kimham8a »
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025960#msg1025960
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2012, 03:46:19 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
(permanent card)
24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

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Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025961#msg1025961
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2012, 03:47:28 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
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24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

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Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

Dude. This is a 4-card OTK combo.

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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025965#msg1025965
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2012, 03:53:47 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
(permanent card)
24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

...

Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

Dude. This is a 4-card OTK combo.

But who saves 3 dragons in hand?  Normally you'd play them and get some damage in because not all decks have CC that can counter that.

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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025968#msg1025968
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2012, 03:58:13 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
(permanent card)
24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

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Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

Dude. This is a 4-card OTK combo.

But who saves 3 dragons in hand?  Normally you'd play them and get some damage in because not all decks have CC that can counter that.

Lol, I guess. But when you're trying to make an OTK deck, this far out-"effective"-izes any buff+TU+skyblitz+chimera combo.

BTW, if the SoR nerf means anything, Zanz does not like OTK decks. Thus, instant win cards are inherently flawed (they're either crappy in general or overpowered in a specific context...think Exodia outside of a speed-draw deck). So we should move away from instant win cards, and more towards things like "reduce your opponent's HP by 100".

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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025969#msg1025969
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2012, 04:09:48 am »
Which is an instant win 99% of the time, and just as bad.
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025972#msg1025972
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2012, 04:22:21 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
(permanent card)
24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

...

Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

Dude. This is a 4-card OTK combo.
It's a 4-card 3TK combo. Vulnerable to PC, but not CC provided you kept those dragons in hand. You could EA it, but that would complicate it by an extra card.
I wasn't sure whether this needed a buff or nerf, and I see there is contradicting opinion from others too lol. But I'm leaning more toward a buff.

About the, 'zanz hate OTK' stuff: I don't think anyone really knows whether he hates them or not, but there is little chance for many of these cards to to be integrated into the game, so these threads for new card ideas are mostly just fun. And wouldn't this card be fun? :D
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025974#msg1025974
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 04:29:30 am »
Thoughts on a card like this?

Final Blast
(permanent card)
24 :fire unupped
Sacrifice 3 non-:fire type dragons. After 3 turns, win the game.

...

Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to keep those three dragons?

Dude. This is a 4-card OTK combo.
It's a 4-card 3TK combo. Vulnerable to PC, but not CC provided you kept those dragons in hand. You could EA it, but that would complicate it by an extra card.
I wasn't sure whether this needed a buff or nerf, and I see there is contradicting opinion from others too lol. But I'm leaning more toward a buff.

About the, 'zanz hate OTK' stuff: I don't think anyone really knows whether he hates them or not, but there is little chance for many of these cards to to be integrated into the game, so these threads for new card ideas are mostly just fun. And wouldn't this card be fun? :D

To be honest, not really.  And it smells of YGO-esque forced combos...

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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025980#msg1025980
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 04:41:48 am »
This is not an otk card.... its a 3tk one...
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025982#msg1025982
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 04:45:53 am »
Ah, I think the title of 'Instant Win' is misleading. Not sure what to change it to though... My thoughts when making the thread were that it would be an instant win if it wasn't by HP.
Guess I'll change the card/title a little as soon as I think of an appropriate way.
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1025992#msg1025992
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 05:44:42 am »
And it smells of YGO-esque forced combos...
This.

From looking at Water as an element, we already see that forced synergies can do more harm than good. Water has forced duos since its creatures have so many off-element ability costs. Compare this to Aether -- it's very fluid and doesn't require players to include X card all the time when duoing with Y particular element.

Making cards with a super narrow niche is just not good for the game (I'm looking at you, Flooding).
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Re: Instant Win Card https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45430.msg1026261#msg1026261
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 05:44:27 am »
This card can be used in many decks, not just some specific OTK. Firestall could, but with serious drag on control to produce quanta for other dragons. Fat rainbow works (non deckout win condition). Speedbow with :fire orientation? Maybe. Some special duo with :fire? Makes sense.

The point is, this isn't a card 'forced' to fill a specific niche or deck. Rather, I would think it would create new and original decks.

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