Help me find the right Element for this (wild swipe)

[dawn to dusk]

It divides among all other creatures, and the upped hits the enemy only.

I assume the unupped hits both sides thusly.

Mitosis is on the "empathic bond" side of life, not this side. This side is weakened in mitosis/empathic bond decks, because you're not going to deal any damage with it.

what i am questioning is that it targets a side randomly before applying the damage (repeated for each point of damage) or it randomly chooses the creature out of those on the board

i personally think it should be the former to prevent it from being UP but i am worried about the coding and stuff related to that

[Espithel]

20 damage from a single dragon. This thing in terms of power is fine, maybe even slightly functionally OP.
If at least I'm reading it right. It would be a little silly for it to target a random side, though - 50% chance of killing itself. :/ Although, when one thinks about it, that would be worth it given what this thing can do when you optimise it.

[Treldon]

20 damage from a single dragon. This thing in terms of power is fine, maybe even slightly functionally OP.
If at least I'm reading it right. It would be a little silly for it to target a random side, though - 50% chance of killing itself. :/ Although, when one thinks about it, that would be worth it given what this thing can do when you optimise it.

Based on Odin's description, it cannot target itself

'...damage divided among all other / all enemy creatures'

[dawn to dusk]

what, so if you have 23 creatures and your opponent has 1, there is a 1/24 chance of this damaging, let alone killing, your opponent's creature?

tell me how that is OP

[Espithel]

Based on Odin's description, it cannot target itself

'...damage divided among all other / all enemy creatures'

Good point. Now it's just 50% to do nothing. Very silly.

what, so if you have 23 creatures and your opponent has 1, there is a 1/24 chance of this killing your opponent's creature?

tell me how that is OP

It's not.

If you have 1 creature and your opponent has 23, splitting 20 damage, realistically 40 (optimisation, yay!), there is a 50% of killing your enemy's creature and a 50% of doing nothing? ... And these 23s have... What? 1 HP? 2 if they're lucky? 3, maybe?
Tell me how that is UP.

Saying "if you have 23 creatures out, this card is useless" is like saying "if you have 1 HP, miracle is useless."


The less creatures you have, the more powerful this card is.
That's the opposite of life.

[dawn to dusk]

how would it realistically be 40 damage? emerald dragon has 10 attack, not 20 (disregarding the heal)

look, would you use pandemonium if you had 23 non-voodoo doll creatures and your opponent had 1? no. so why would i use this?

i was questioning the targeting for balance purposes. i think this fits life quite well.

going by art's elemental reasoning before with my own interpretations:
  - well...
  - lack of creatures with high attack to make use of this
  - ^
  - a good element to put this in if its not life. the health gain may need to be removed though

[Espithel]

Okay. Fine. Wordwall time.

If I was going to use this card at its current cost (3 ), I would use it in this deck, with the relics counting as unupped wild swipes:

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How to play this deck:
Play 1 dragon, momentum and accelerate it.
Whenever your opponent has a decent amount of creatures, wild swipe the dragon. It will deal damage equal to double its ATK (which, by the way, is 7*2 = FOURTEEN when it comes out, which is enough to kill all but 2 creatures if the damage isn't divided) onto all of your opponent's creatures.

The calculation for the damage is:
(ATK of targetted creature * 2) / (number of creatures dealt damage). Oh look. Your dragon can singlehandedly win you the game. Why would you need to ever cast any other creature, unless it somehow dies? So the calculation then becomes:
(ATK of targetted creature * 2) / (number of enemy creatures.)

People tend to play between 2-6 creatures. 14 damage divided by 2. 14 damage divided by 6 is nothing to sneeze at either. To put this in perspective, lightning bolt kills well over half of the creatures in the game.

And I haven't even started on momentum or acceleration. The momentum gives +1 ATK and +2 swipe damage. The accelerations give +2 ATK a turn and +4 swipe damage a turn. So... It shouldn't be long until you can 1-shot everything with ease. If you want to calculate how much damage that deals, it should be well over 50 by the end of the game. 50 / 6 = 8.3 = 8 (rounded down.) That is, realistically, 40. It shouldn't be too hard to make this a 20 / X or even a 15 / X.

And if your opponent doesn't have too many creatures out... Just play another dragon to speed up the victory. If they suddenly spam a creature due to fractal, you can chimera and then swipe for god knows how much.

In this case, why would I even use the upped? It costs more and deals less damage.
And that isn't even the best way to make the deck. That's just a hurried together example. Someone could make an infinitely better deck. Maybe they'll use armagios. Maybe they'll use phoenixes in a firestall, using the other fire cards to single out one problematic creature and whack them for 14. Which would be easy.

And your pandemonium example just misses the point.
If I have 23 creatures out, NO, I would not use this card. That's not even how you use this card! That's like using miracle during SoSac or when you have 1 HP; highly unlikely and highly impractical.

So, how is a card that's more effective the less creatures you have, belong in the element that gains the most from having a lot of creatures on the battlefield?
This card, mechanically, is the opposite of life. And here I thought it was just direct mass CC.
How does this card have any synergy in life?

In fact, one might argue not putting it in gravity because it could be too powerful.
Earth also has SoI problems, in that case.
Every element also has enough problems in that case due to not a lot of creatures being played, generally. And them having a dragon.

Mechanically, this belongs in the element that gains the most from having the least amount of creatures.
That sounds like gravity.

[dawn to dusk]

im sorry, i dont understand your miracle reference, why wouldnt you use miracle if you were on 1 hp?

[Espithel]

Because it's horribly impractical.
If, somehow, you get down to 1 HP.

(You also die, but that's not important.)

[dawn to dusk]

Because it's horribly impractical.
If, somehow, you get down to 1 HP.

(You also die, but that's not important.)

this is miracle, the card that restores you to 1 off full health

[Espithel]

1 - 1 = 0.

I'm saying you don't want to do it.

[dawn to dusk]

1 + 99 - 1 = 99

you gain the healing before the -1 is calculated iirc