*Author

Offline eaglgenes101Topic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1964
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 29
  • eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • The rising all-'rounder of Elements
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday Cake
Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027615#msg1027615
« on: January 02, 2013, 10:42:19 am »
I have thought of elements to be groupable in 4 types (In addition to the 3 types material, cardinal, spiritual):
Free: :aether :air :light
Active: :entropy :fire :life
Grounded: :darkness :earth :time
Passive: :death :gravity :water
 
What do I do with this grouping?
« Last Edit: January 02, 2013, 10:48:19 am by eaglgenes101 »
My 3 game-modification principles:
1. If it ain't broke, don't wreck it.
2. Simple fixes for simple problems.
3. Remember to fill in the holes.

Offline Pineapple

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4105
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Pineapple hides under a Cloak.
  • Master of Cake
  • Awards: Silver DonorSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027621#msg1027621
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 12:26:33 pm »
Well, it helps that you have some kind of theme separating each group as distinct.

Now, you can choose to rely solely on theme, for example an Air creature "This gains +5/+0 when this is targeted by the opponent. 50% chance to evade targeting." or a Light creature "This gains a 25% chance to deal +50% damage and ignore shields for every permanent your opponent destroys." In this case, the groupings will become thematic guidelines rather than a mechanical series.

Alternatively, you could focus on the groups as a whole. Permanents like "Freedom's Wing-- Shield: For every enemy attack, your :light :air :aether creatures gain a 1% chance to ignore shields." The problem with this is that you might be making a card too situational.

Offline MaTianLong

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 115
  • Country: it
  • Reputation Power: 2
  • MaTianLong is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • Animated Morning Glory + SoW= Excalibur
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027838#msg1027838
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 12:37:29 am »
I have thought of elements to be groupable in 4 types (In addition to the 3 types material, cardinal, spiritual):
Free: :aether :air :light
Active: :entropy :fire :life
Grounded: :darkness :earth :time
Passive: :death :gravity :water
 
What do I do with this grouping?

You can start to explain what every group does...
Proud Member and Samurai of Team Earth in War 6

Fight the Fire with the Fire, fight ALL with the Fire

Offline artimies7

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1802
  • Reputation Power: 24
  • artimies7 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.artimies7 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.artimies7 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.artimies7 is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Effectively Super
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027853#msg1027853
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 01:29:47 am »
I have thought of elements to be groupable in 4 types (In addition to the 3 types material, cardinal, spiritual):
Free: :aether :air :light
Active: :entropy :fire :life
Grounded: :darkness :earth :time
Passive: :death :gravity :water
 
What do I do with this grouping?

You can start to explain what every group does...

Can that be up for interpretation? I think that would open it up for a bit more inspiration.
Donuts, Noodles, or Bacon?
Whitewalleries! | Noodles, to Victory!

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027891#msg1027891
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 04:25:27 am »
I have thought of elements to be groupable in 4 types (In addition to the 3 types material, cardinal, spiritual):
Free: :aether :air :light
Active: :entropy :fire :life
Grounded: :darkness :earth :time
Passive: :death :gravity :water
 
What do I do with this grouping?

You can start to explain what every group does...

Can that be up for interpretation? I think that would open it up for a bit more inspiration.

If the grouping does not have inherent meaning then it is arbitrary. I do not see why an arbitrary grouping would have meaning.
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

Offline EmeraldTiger

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4630
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 61
  • EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!EmeraldTiger shines with the light of the Morning Glory!
  • :life :aether
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027909#msg1027909
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 04:55:57 am »
I say there are many possible groupings that hold thematic resonance.
If Nowhere is Somewhere, and Somewhere is Over there, How can we be Anywhere?
:life :aether

Offline ZephyrPhantom

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7675
  • Country: aq
  • Reputation Power: 101
  • ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.ZephyrPhantom is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeFlavour Text Revival Competition - WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1027911#msg1027911
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 05:05:25 am »
I personally think it's a good idea to try to develop combinations that don't have much background.

As pineapple said you could go the route of making everything thematically unique or design as if your are considering that specific element combination. I would suggest the former if you're planning to avoid 'cornering' yourself into a forced trio, IMHO. (The shield example in pineapple's post, for example, could easily say airborne/immaterial and be just as fitting.)

Offline eaglgenes101Topic starter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1964
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 29
  • eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.eaglgenes101 is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • The rising all-'rounder of Elements
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1029757#msg1029757
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2013, 04:04:44 am »
One advantage of this trio combination over others is that it is perpendicular to the quartets.
:air :fire :earth :water
:aether :entropy :time :gravity
:light :life :darkness :death

See?
My 3 game-modification principles:
1. If it ain't broke, don't wreck it.
2. Simple fixes for simple problems.
3. Remember to fill in the holes.

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1029817#msg1029817
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2013, 09:33:40 am »
One advantage of this trio combination over others is that it is perpendicular to the quartets.
:air :fire :earth :water
:aether :entropy :time :gravity
:light :life :darkness :death

See?
That is an advantage. However it is shared with 15 others.
Ex:
 :air :fire :earth :water
 :gravity :aether :entropy :time
 :darkness :death :light :life
Good job justifying a set of 16 options down from the much larger number of options.
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

Offline shadow303

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 281
  • Country: it
  • Reputation Power: 8
  • shadow303 is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • Never stop trying to improve.
  • Awards: Winner of Design An Award Icon Competition! [WC Edition]
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1030077#msg1030077
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2013, 08:47:21 pm »
The only real grouping of the elements that I personally can see is the grouping of opposites like:
 :darkness :light
 :air :earth
 :fire :water
 :death :life

Even though that doesn't really work for the last four:
 :entropy :gravity :time :aether
I personally would like to see an opposite for every element, like e.g. an element of regularity as opposite of the chaotic entrophy and so on.

Beside that I think there are a lot of possible logical groupings of elements.

Offline Pineapple

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4105
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 0
  • Pineapple hides under a Cloak.
  • Master of Cake
  • Awards: Silver DonorSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1030114#msg1030114
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2013, 09:32:00 pm »
Even though that doesn't really work for the last four:
 :entropy :gravity :time :aether

Hm? I think that the last two elemental pairs are the most defined. You can't really find thematic and mechanical card opposites in for example Fire vs. Water, but in Entropy vs. Gravity you have Supernova vs. Black Hole and Maxwell vs. <pretty much any Gravity creature>, while in Aether vs. Time you have Twin Universe vs. Rewind and Mindgate vs. Hourglass.

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Ermm... random thought. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45570.msg1030117#msg1030117
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2013, 09:45:20 pm »
@shadow303
 :gravity :entropy order vs entropy (note: not order vs chaos)
 :aether :time space vs time
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

 

anything
blarg: