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Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283125#msg283125
« on: March 04, 2011, 03:56:45 pm »
Thread Primary Goal: Fully Define All of What Entropy is and is not.
Thread Secondary Goal: Define Entropy so new mechanics can be derived

General Views:
- Entropy: A sugar cube dropped into a hot cup of coffee dissolves and the sugar is distributed throughout the coffee. Entropy is why the sugar never comes out of solution and reforms itself into a cube again.
- Disorder: Entropy is commonly associated with the amount of order, disorder, and/or chaos in a thermodynamic system. Increases in entropy correspond to an increase of disorder. (In a sugar cube, the sugar molecules are in a highly ordered crystalline state. In solution the sugar is disordered.)
- Irreversibility: Increases in entropy correspond to irreversible changes in a system. (The sugar dissolution is irreversible)
- Entropy (or more recently Gibbs free energy) has been used to interprete Evolution theory.

Some things to know:
- James Clerk Maxwell was a Scottish physicist and mathematician. Erwin Rudolf Josef Alexander Schrödinger was a Austrian physicist and theoretical biologist who was one of the fathers of quantum mechanics. To make a long story short, both did work on the concept or the implications of the concept of Entropy. The next one to enter the game could be Josiah Willard Gibbs.
- The butterfly effect is a metaphor that encapsulates the concept of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaos theory; namely, a small change at one place in a complex system can have large effects elsewhere.

Entropy in Elements-the-Game:
- Chaos (disorder).
- Randomness.
- Scientists (see above).
- Mutations.
- Dispersion (dissipation - scramble)

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283132#msg283132
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 04:09:12 pm »
Personally I find Entropy to be the most fun and amusing. At the same time Entropy can be the most devious. I would like to see more ideas come from the thermodynamic side of Entropy.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283149#msg283149
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 04:34:20 pm »
Entropy delights in confusing the opponent. It deceives and twists everything natural and arranged to disturb those who want order.

The universe was created by void (Aether) and chaos (Entropy). While Aether is the first of the Gods, the Protogenoi, the building brick of the universe, Entropy is the spark that had Life exploding uncontrollably all over creation. Perhaps too uncontrollably for the Gods' taste.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283573#msg283573
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 04:08:31 am »
randomness, chaos, thermodynamic physics all belong to entropy
as well as theories regarding the end of the universe

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283606#msg283606
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 05:20:47 am »
I'd say  this  would work better for the word "Entropy."

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg283608#msg283608
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 05:23:17 am »
Unpredictability.
Deterioration of order over a period of time.
Perception is the source of misunderstanding.

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg284192#msg284192
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 10:54:26 pm »
Entropy is a repetetive state of disorder. perhaps even order in chaos, since most believe that things happen for a reason.

for example: You clean and tidy up your room, It gradually gets messy again, But It constantly gets messy in a different way, sequence, or rate. its form of disorder is spontaneous, which is why its also considered as "random" in nature.

In other words, If any type of system is not maintained, Entropy is given power and creates Disorder in that system in any way or everyway.
The rate of disorder is unpredictable, you don't know when it takes place until you notice the chaos around your environment, again, giving it a random nature.


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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg284409#msg284409
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 04:17:31 am »
Disorder is often (correct me if i'm wrong) considered a bad thing. People a lot of the time like things the they are. So in a positive light, Entropy is Change, not disorder.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg284788#msg284788
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2011, 05:55:04 pm »
Disorder is often (correct me if i'm wrong) considered a bad thing. People a lot of the time like things the they are. So in a positive light, Entropy is Change, not disorder.
Sorry but i believe you are wrong. the only agreeable thing you said was that it causes change.
but how does it cause change?

Entropy can cause change but through disorder.
Thermodynamic laws of entropy statethat its a loss of energy, meaning its a "disorder" of molecules in the energy source.
example: Ice cubes melting in a glass when introduced to room temperature, The ices loses its tight molecular properties by the disgregation of its molecules. that is a disorder in its molecules.

Informational entropy consists of the measuring of the uncertainty of an event.
If the variables or possibilities of the event are much higher, then It has higher Entropy.
Therefore, no individual will know what will happen in that event,
What does that cause?

Disorder, its only a matter of time before the individual notices a "disorder" in thier environment.
If a system isnt maintained, Entropy creates disorder in that system. Thats why every single type of system always has its flaws, because the amount of variables in a single event could be so large, that many precautions have to be taken in order to pervent, Disorder in that system.
The ways that entropy causes disorder are always different, because when that system troubleshoots one problem, another arises.
That is entropy which causes disorder, thus giving it its random nature.

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg284945#msg284945
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2011, 09:12:00 pm »
Disorder is often (correct me if i'm wrong) considered a bad thing. People a lot of the time like things the they are. So in a positive light, Entropy is Change, not disorder.
Sorry but i believe you are wrong. the only agreeable thing you said was that it causes change.
but how does it cause change?

Entropy can cause change but through disorder. Disorder is the common perception of the process/occurrence of familiar things changing. Change is much the same, but on a broader scale. You don't have to have an orderly perception for it to change. Ex. You might not be involved/familiar with politics, but the leader of some country you've never heard of changed. So it didn't cause change by Disorder
Thermodynamic laws of entropy statethat its a loss of energy, meaning its a "disorder" of molecules in the energy source. The laws of Thermodynamics are mass-believed opinions.
example: Ice cubes melting in a glass when introduced to room temperature, The ices loses its tight molecular properties by the disgregation Desegregation? of its molecules. that is a disorder in its molecules.                             
                                                                                                 
Informational entropy consists of the measuring of the uncertainty of an event.
If the variables or possibilities of the event are much higher, then It has higher Entropy.
Therefore, no individual will know what will happen in that event,
What does that cause?

Disorder, its only a matter of time before the individual notices a "disorder" in thier environment.
If a system isnt maintained, Entropy creates disorder in that system. Thats why every single type of system always has its flaws, because the amount of variables in a single event could be so large, that many precautions have to be taken in order to pervent, Disorder in that system.
The ways that entropy causes disorder are always different, because when that system troubleshoots one problem, another arises.
That is entropy which causes disorder, thus giving it its random nature.
My point before was that the connotation of disorder isn't completely right.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg284950#msg284950
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 09:17:35 pm »
Disorder is often (correct me if i'm wrong) considered a bad thing. People a lot of the time like things the they are. So in a positive light, Entropy is Change, not disorder.
Sorry but i believe you are wrong. the only agreeable thing you said was that it causes change.
but how does it cause change?

Entropy can cause change but through disorder. Disorder is the common perception of the process/occurrence of familiar things changing. Change is much the same, but on a broader scale. You don't have to have an orderly perception for it to change. Ex. You might not be involved/familiar with politics, but the leader of some country you've never heard of changed. So it didn't cause change by Disorder
Thermodynamic laws of entropy statethat its a loss of energy, meaning its a "disorder" of molecules in the energy source. The laws of Thermodynamics are mass-believed opinions.
example: Ice cubes melting in a glass when introduced to room temperature, The ices loses its tight molecular properties by the disgregation Desegregation? of its molecules. that is a disorder in its molecules.                             
                                                                                                 
Informational entropy consists of the measuring of the uncertainty of an event.
If the variables or possibilities of the event are much higher, then It has higher Entropy.
Therefore, no individual will know what will happen in that event,
What does that cause?

Disorder, its only a matter of time before the individual notices a "disorder" in thier environment.
If a system isnt maintained, Entropy creates disorder in that system. Thats why every single type of system always has its flaws, because the amount of variables in a single event could be so large, that many precautions have to be taken in order to pervent, Disorder in that system.
The ways that entropy causes disorder are always different, because when that system troubleshoots one problem, another arises.
That is entropy which causes disorder, thus giving it its random nature.
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My point before was that the connotation of disorder isn't completely right.
Disorder doesn't necessarily have to be bad, a lot of people usually intend to believe that things happen for a purpose.
in other words, Disorder isn't bad because there is always a reason for it anyway.

in fact, we learn from disorder in our everyday lives, we trouble shoot it somehow (or attempt it), and learn from what has happened.

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Re: Element Breakdown: Entropy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22136.msg288106#msg288106
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 08:43:37 am »
Disorder is often (correct me if i'm wrong) considered a bad thing. People a lot of the time like things the they are. So in a positive light, Entropy is Change, not disorder.
Disorder in physics isn't bad or good. It is a state. Vaporised water is less ordered than liquid water which is less ordered than an ice cube which is less ordered than a snowflake. It doesn't make a snowflake better than vapour (even if it's easier too ski on the first). In the same order of ideas in physics darkness is the absence of light. It is therefore not bad by itself. That is what I like with science: no judgement just facts.

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