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Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg283208#msg283208
« on: March 04, 2011, 06:27:02 pm »
Thread Primary Goal: Fully Define All of What AETHER is and is not.
Thread Secondary Goal: Define AETHER so new mechanics can be derived

My Views:
Aether is the media in which energy resides in.
Aether is the element of duality.
Aether directly affects the minds of others.
Aether is the unchanging.
Aether is the defiance of time.

Community's Views:
Immaterial creatures
Utilization of "phasing out"
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg283215#msg283215
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 06:36:46 pm »
In other games Aether is the membrane of which creatures are summoned through. I have been told Aether is the plasma from an electrical discharge.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg283565#msg283565
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 04:00:34 am »
along with light, an element with "godly" powers

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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg284427#msg284427
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 04:40:00 am »
The mythological element of Aether is literally what the Gods were said to breathe, as mortals breathe air. It was a more pure kind of air for the divine, and some even said that the element itself granted immortality and perhaps other dormant abilities in a being. It embodies transcendence and divinity more than any other element, even Light, and personifies both purity and the void. These two are, naturally, heavily linked.

After all, nothingness must be the epitome of purity.

The energy waves that travel through the Aether are likely unlimited in quantity, but the confirmed ones are electricity, plasma, and various energies that stars exude. Aether is the element of the stars, of outer space, of empty space, and of different dimensions. Through dimensions travel energies we have yet to discover, and Aether is indeed, for the most part, undetectable to us thus far.


Nonetheless, it's clear that without this media for energy to travel in, the universe would not be able to sustain itself. It is the fabric of creation; the threads through which everything moves. The very building bricks of the universe.

An even greater mystery are the void dimensions, in which nothing moves. They are immobile dimensions mentioned in the EtG description of Aether, and something that contradicts everything we know of the universe. Some believe they are containers to be filled with creation as energy flows through the dimensions, and some see them as the end of creation. Perhaps it is where we all return after we've dissolved into molecules of earth, water, air, and then further into space.


Into nothingness. Back to what we first were, to be used again as the universe expands. The pure essence of existence.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285182#msg285182
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 03:16:52 am »
I view Aether as the fabric of space, the very medium in which everything exists. It is pure, yes, but there is nothing "divine" about it. Divinity implies consciousness, worship, and idolization; Aether is much simpler than such paltry concepts. Aether is space; its controller can warp space, rend space asunder, and pull energy out of empty space.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285232#msg285232
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 04:59:59 am »
I believe that Aether is the physical part of Everything. It's kind of been said already, but on smaller scales than the ultimate scale of Everything.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285246#msg285246
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 05:24:26 am »
Aether=metaphysics

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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285253#msg285253
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2011, 05:38:56 am »
Aether=metaphysics
You obviously are not a philosopher.
Metaphysics is the study of the question: What does it mean to be? What does it mean to call something a being? What is? What is it like?

Aether definitely is not "asking: what is is?"
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285359#msg285359
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 11:10:51 am »
Aether=metaphysics
You obviously are not a philosopher.
Metaphysics is the study of the question: What does it mean to be? What does it mean to call something a being? What is? What is it like?

Aether definitely is not "asking: what is is?"
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg285389#msg285389
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 02:04:21 pm »
I meant to write astrophysics, but that's not what came out. :))
Astrophysics makes a lot more sense.
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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg423076#msg423076
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 03:50:34 am »
This might be a necropost, or the moving of a post to the correct area.   Either way, you'll have to forgive me, I missed the original thread in an extended absence.

Aether is immortality.  I can't die.  I have phase shield.  I have silence.
My creatures can't die, I have quintessence, I have lightning bolt, I have lobotomizer
Aether does this extremely well.



Also, after much thought, I no longer consider fractal OP.  On the contrary, it sets the standard to what other elements should be.  It's aether's finisher
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Drain life?
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Chimera?
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Similarly, pheonix could be considered OP, as it's the hardest card to kill in the game (2 card minimum to do it, not true for any other card), but I think in reality it sets the standard every element should be balanced to.

In summary, aether is fine and dandy just the way it is.  The one complaint I have is that maybe spark doesn't belong in aether, but it's a 0 drop, so it's not like it's inaccessible.

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Re: Element Breakdown: Aether https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22158.msg423087#msg423087
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2011, 04:08:00 am »
Similarly, pheonix could be considered OP, as it's the hardest card to kill in the game (2 card minimum to do it, not true for any other card), but I think in reality it sets the standard every element should be balanced to.
Acceleration and Liquid Shadow would do it, and a lot of other cards are hard to kill. High health cards like Armagio and Massive Dragon. There are also a lot of straight up immortal cards (this is a thread about aether). I think that Phoenix is definitely real good but I just wanted to clear that up.

Anyways I think Aether is transcendence not in a spiritual sense but in a physical sense. Transcending above our frame of existence. You have all the untouchable stuff and you also have Lobotomy and Mindgate. The power of the mind can be said to be above normal existence, above mundane things like chairs and hamburgers (though this is of course debatable outside of game context it fits in thematically into EtG lore). Fractal kind of fits into the theme of Parallel Universe, its otherwordly copies of something relating to the idea that there are a multiple dimensions where copies of everything exist. Lightning is a little bit out but I think it fits too. An unwordly power striking things dead.

If there is one core theme to consider when making an Aether card I think it is that Aether is mystery, transcending above mundane not exactly into other physical locations, but other ways of existing.

 

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