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Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1126446#msg1126446
« on: February 16, 2014, 08:58:28 pm »
(I don't really remember the names of the card ideas I'll be quoting, if you posted them in the comments it'd be of a great help)
Each Element has a Dragon, aside "Other". This is justificable by saying that Other isn't really an element, however it always has stimulated the designers' minds. Several attempts have been made, most of them weren't successful enough, other seem redunant and likes.
What is the problem? The problem is the cost. It being Other means that it should be payed in :rainbow That's however a great problem, Nova generates an incredible amount of quanta in a moment, and if it costs too much it'll be way too expensive to be played. Attempts have been made to solve that problem by making it pay in a specific quanta. That, however, made it even worse because if it was too strong it'd have taken the place of the elemental dragons in monos.
The seemingly right way to do this is by imposing restrictions on it. I kind of remember a more recent card which had the dragon chained and required a great cost in order to unchain it. Another nice idea may be requiring a cost of 4 different kinds of quantum per turn in order to make sure it's going to be played in a good rainbow and make it cost at least 13 in order to prevent nova-dragon (but making possible nova-nova-dragon). Most of those restrictions, though, would make it an awesome OTK companion.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130453#msg1130453
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2014, 07:10:53 pm »
Make it cost 3x as much as other dragons. Problem solved. (Chromatic Dragon: Cost 30 :rainbow, 11|6 or such)

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130454#msg1130454
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2014, 07:13:47 pm »
I don't really think we should have "other" creatures. Creatures belong to an element, that's logic to me.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130455#msg1130455
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2014, 07:14:10 pm »
I don't really think we should have "other" creatures. Creatures belong to an element, that's logic to me.
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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130456#msg1130456
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2014, 07:17:04 pm »
I don't really think we should have "other" creatures. Creatures belong to an element, that's logic to me.
*flies a dagger*
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I thought of that before, so I build a comeback before: flying weapons aren't creatures. They are just some lifeless things that fly around.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130457#msg1130457
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 07:18:24 pm »
I don't really think we should have "other" creatures. Creatures belong to an element, that's logic to me.
*flies a dagger*
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I thought of that before, so I build a comeback before: flying weapons aren't creatures. They are just some lifeless things that fly around.
Oh, and a spark is a life filled creature of beauty?

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130459#msg1130459
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 07:21:46 pm »
I don't really think we should have "other" creatures. Creatures belong to an element, that's logic to me.
*flies a dagger*
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I thought of that before, so I build a comeback before: flying weapons aren't creatures. They are just some lifeless things that fly around.
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Exactly, electricity is energy. Energy is life. (And don't tell me about :death creatures, they were revived with some kind of magic.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130460#msg1130460
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2014, 07:22:30 pm »
... and my dagger became alive throughout some kind of magic.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130462#msg1130462
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2014, 07:32:48 pm »
... and my dagger became alive throughout some kind of magic.
Ok, you win, I'll have to reorganise my strategy...ummm...Oh, I know now: There are no "other" stand-alone creatures because creatures must belong to an element. (magic can interfere though)

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130463#msg1130463
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2014, 07:34:50 pm »
Okay.

... I still like my chromatic dragon.

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130464#msg1130464
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2014, 07:36:22 pm »
Okay.

... I still like my chromatic dragon.
I don't mean that I don't like the fact that there could be one, I just think it would be quite hard to balance, since you can't have creatures cost quantum of 2 or more specific elements. (like 2 of each element or something)

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Re: Designing the Other Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53791.msg1130465#msg1130465
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2014, 07:40:20 pm »
Make it cost 3x as much as other dragons. Problem solved. (Chromatic Dragon: Cost 30 :rainbow, 11|6 or such)

 

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