Cross-Element Effects

[Captain Scibra]

We have seen various effects that are part of an element, and sometimes these are found in other elements (typically through creature abilities).

What effects could be found in other elements, and how?

Paradox - "Kill the target creature if its attack is higher than its defense"
I always thought this was something that could find its way into Time at some point or another.  This probably would be a decent spell, and would actually give Time something lethal in regards to control.  How to work this with RT already in place would be tough, but likely manageable.

Feel free to add/suggest ideas.

[artimies7]

Gravity Shield is based on defense so Time, Gravity's opposite, would probably be based on attack. Probably the inverse of Entropy: "Kill the target creature if its defense is higher than its attack." If not kill, than some other effect. Delay's already Time's area of expertise, perhaps that.

I've always thought that a Delay for permanents would fit nicely in Life. Fill some holes, wrapping vines is thematic. I think I've made a card of that before. I'll find it in the morning.

[CuCN]

Gravity Shield is based on defense so Time, Gravity's opposite, would probably be based on attack. Probably the inverse of Entropy: "Kill the target creature if its defense is higher than its attack." If not kill, than some other effect. Delay's already Time's area of expertise, perhaps that.

I've always thought that a Delay for permanents would fit nicely in Life. Fill some holes, wrapping vines is thematic. I think I've made a card of that before. I'll find it in the morning.

Isn't Entropy the opposite of Gravity?

[artimies7]

Is it? I've always thought Time and Gravity were opposite. Some concept from a fantasy novel about stronger gravity slowing down time, maybe, if it's not true.

[CuCN]

We've got this picture (from http://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/an-interview-with-zanzarino!/):


I think the idea is that gravity-entropy represents the order-chaos opposition.

[CrockettRocket]

Now what about time being the opposite of aether?

[dawn to dusk]

Now what about time being the opposite of aether?

Time wears things away which doesn't affect the immateriality of aether

[Captain Scibra]

Now what about time being the opposite of aether?

Time wears things away which doesn't affect the immateriality of aether

Yet Aether is static, while Time is ever changing (often for the better).

[artimies7]

  Long story short I was wrong on that.

Back on topic, Dry Spell/Desiccation would work well in Time if the damage was changed to a delay.
Specifically: "Delay every creature on the field by one turn. Gain  for each creature delayed."

[Espithel]

There are very few effects that couldn't be altered into a different element, yet alone a lot of elements.

Taking Dryspell as an example:


Deal 10 damage divided among all creatures. Gain for each creature damaged this way.


Deal 2 damage to all creatures. Gain for every creature killed this way.


Each creature loses 1 ATK. Gain for every creature affected by this.


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Wildfire
Deal 1 damage to every creature in play. Gain for every creature damaged this way.


Lemons


Generate for every creature in play.


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Artimies becomes king of the world for 3 seconds.


Deal 1 damage to every creature in play. Gain 2 HP for every creature damaged this way.


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So... Every effect can be cross-element, kinda.

[CrockettRocket]

Darkness would be deal two damage to every creature. Gain 1 HP for every creature affected by this. (Difference: the 2 and 1 are swapped, and they don't have to be killed, just affected like dryspell.)

[Captain Scibra]

Interesting ideas for Mass CC for all elements, though it is debatable if that is a good or bad design.  On a more specific note, I feel that Pandemonium is Entropy's Mass CC.  Not as straightforward as a constant damage to all, but definitely fitting.