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Which element would this fit best under?

Aether
0 (0%)
Air
3 (12%)
Death
0 (0%)
Darkness
3 (12%)
Earth
1 (4%)
Entropy
0 (0%)
Fire
0 (0%)
Gravity
2 (8%)
Life
2 (8%)
Light
6 (24%)
Time
0 (0%)
Water
0 (0%)
Other
8 (32%)

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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524505#msg524505
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2012, 05:34:44 am »
I can see it in these elements really.
:air speed, fragile speedster, not really strong though
:fire power, aggressiveness, not really strong either
:darkness hidden techinique, sneaky, I don't really see the link
:light fighting without a shield, honor, I can sort of see this
:earth strength, earth I can see this
:gravity strength, giving gravity much more offense, I can see this

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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524520#msg524520
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2012, 07:09:56 am »
I dislike the sloppy themes in YuGiOh. I would discount them as evidence.

That's of course accurate.


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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524529#msg524529
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2012, 07:59:58 am »
A strong brawler with hairy chest fighting with his nude hands and nothing else. I can see that into life.

Also adrenaline. Voted.

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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524554#msg524554
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2012, 12:23:06 pm »
Other. Imo just doesn't fit enough into any element's theme.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524557#msg524557
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2012, 12:43:20 pm »
I dislike the sloppy themes in YuGiOh. I would discount them as evidence.

Agreed, but the thought of Cestus of Dagla made me at least look at the thought of furball's idea being in light, and personally I think it makes sense even outside of the YGO reference.
I was refering to their Cestus -> Thunder -> Faerie connection not the Fey -> Light/Dark connection.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524565#msg524565
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2012, 01:27:51 pm »
In the Yugioh TCG, most fairy-type creatures (I'd say above 90%) have the light attribute.
There are exceptions, most notably the Darklords. It's also quite clear that the Cestus of Dagla isn't a boxing glove.

I still voted Other. The ability theme still seems to be spread across too many elements (at least 6-7 have been mentioned several times on this thread) to link it to one in particular.

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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg524789#msg524789
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2012, 01:51:15 am »
In the Yugioh TCG, most fairy-type creatures (I'd say above 90%) have the light attribute.
There are exceptions, most notably the Darklords. It's also quite clear that the Cestus of Dagla isn't a boxing glove.
That's why I said about 90%~. I play a lot of YuGiOh.

I vote other thematically, but light for usefulness
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg525276#msg525276
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2012, 08:35:15 am »
This + Flying/Animated Weapon  + Adrenaline = 24 attack    5 turn kill with only 1 (requires 3 cards)

Hypothetical situation with this being a Life card...

Unupped:
Life deck with all Life pillars and a Air mark.
6 Cestus, 6 Adrenaline,  6 flying weapon, 12 life pillars

Upped:
Still 24 attack, change Air mark to Life. Same deck build with Animated Weapons.


Theoretically 2 would be on the field within the first 3 turns if the cost were below 2 unupped | 3 upped.
Doing this in my head quick-like, but, 96-144 damage by the end of the 3rd turn

Higher cost would help, but cripple the idea in my opinion.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg525300#msg525300
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2012, 12:04:41 pm »
Why would this be a life card?
Also, the wording is "Attacks twice if you have no shield."
I don't believe adrenaline's effect would be multiplicative- adrenaline's text is "target creature attack multiple times per turn."
Depends on how you interpret, of course, but why shouldn't adrenaline simply overwrite the 'double attack' mechanic?
I.e flying unupped cestus: deals 2 * 3 dmg at the end of the turn.
 flying unupped cestus + adrenaline: deals 4 * 3 dmg at the end of the turn.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg525304#msg525304
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2012, 12:41:02 pm »
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That would be because Adren is status effect while "Double Attack" is active skill.
3 card combo which could do 24 damage is not OP, though. Probably.

If you must fix it, then make the effect doubles the attack instead of attacking twice.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg525306#msg525306
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2012, 01:02:03 pm »
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That would be because Adren is status effect while "Double Attack" is active skill.
3 card combo which could do 24 damage is not OP, though. Probably.

If you must fix it, then make the effect doubles the attack instead of attacking twice.
The status - active skill difference is irrelevant.
Either adrenaline would supersede the double attack, the double attack would supersede the adrenaline or both would occur.
Most likely they would supersede each other. Aka the adrenal Cestus would receive the higher total damage of either Adrenaline or Double Attack.
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Re: Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42159.msg525399#msg525399
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2012, 06:07:10 pm »
I probably should really reword it. "Gain 1 extra attack when no shield is equipped". That way, adren will only grant 5 attacks max, 15 damage. Would this still be OP if it was in other though?

 

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