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What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319104#msg319104
« on: April 24, 2011, 09:21:57 pm »
What are all the basic functions a card can perform?
* C = Creature
** P = Player

Here are my thoughts.
Resource Generation
Resource Manipulation

Creature Generation

Healing C*  P**
Stats Manipulation C  P
Status C  P
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319114#msg319114
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 09:38:54 pm »
I suspect the game to be much more complex than that. I will return in an hour or so.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319117#msg319117
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 09:43:28 pm »
a card can perform one or more of the following:

-do damage of any sort to player, opponent, or creature.
-heal hp of player or creature
-manipulate quanta in anyway (produce, absorb, etc.)
-manipulate players or opponents hand (nightmare, precog, etc.)

not sure if there is anymore basic summarized actions.

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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319145#msg319145
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 10:31:17 pm »
Functions can manipulate variables.

Some variables are stats (this includes player hp).

Types of Stats:
  • Original
  • Full
  • Current
Confirmed functions that can be applied to these stats
  • Original:
    • Initiate
  • Full:
    • Increase by X (Rage Potion does not Decrease Max HP, X can be negative with Chimera)
    • Invert (Antimatter)
  • Current:
    • Double
    • Increase by X (X can be negative with chimera)
    • Invert
    • Decrease (Steam, Dive, Damage)
My guess for the current limits on these variables
  • Original: Initiate (I assume this is recorded data rather than manipulated data)
  • Full: Any permanent function with a single real integer result (don't forget the maximum full stats)
  • Current: Any function with a single real integer result

Quanta pools are another variable.

Currently they can be increased or decreased by 1 N times using either 1 pool or all pools/all pools with quanta as a target.



Another variable is Card Image.

Card image nature can be changed randomly or to a specific image. (Mutation or Evolve)
Card image also has a location (hand 1-8, creature 1-23, permanent 1-19, none)



The deck is probably an array of Card image nature variables.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319374#msg319374
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 03:54:25 am »
OldTrees, are you using the the mathematical meaning of 'Functions'?
If yes, that is not how I meant it.
Would a better word be role or job?
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319379#msg319379
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:14:06 am »
OldTrees, are you using the the mathematical meaning of 'Functions'?
If yes, that is not how I meant it.
Would a better word be role or job?
What level?
The role of damage is to decrease the current hp of the target.
The role of attack is to damage the opponent.
The role of attackers it to kill the opponent.
The role of rush cards is to convert resources to damage at the cost of a hopefully nonexistent long term.
The role of cards is to create other types of resources.
(some levels are missing)

For example one level would be:
Resource gathering
Resource converting
Resource removal
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319381#msg319381
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 04:27:13 am »
I don't think I am asking the right question.
What are the things a card can do? In the simplest of terms.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319388#msg319388
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 04:43:14 am »
I don't think I am asking the right question.
What are the things a card can do? In the simplest of terms.
In the simplest terms? An effect is one or a combination of related changes to variables. Some of the variables are listed above. Any variable change can be used as a trigger for another variable change.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319397#msg319397
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 05:10:32 am »
Let me see if I can Provide a few examples of what i am thinking about.
Quanta are our Resource in ETG Which mainly produced via Pillars/Pendulums.
Discord causes Resource Manipulation.
Grave yard is a Creature Generator.
poison/infection are Status Manipulation.
Blessing/Stone skin are Stats Manipulation.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319398#msg319398
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 05:16:37 am »
Let me see if I can Provide a few examples of what i am thinking about.
Quanta are our Resource in ETG Which mainly produced via Pillars/Pendulums.
Discord causes Resource Manipulation.
Grave yard is a Creature Generator.
poison/infection are Status Manipulation.
Blessing/Stone skin are Stats Manipulation.
Quanta is but one of many resources.
The incomplete list of ETG resources:
Quanta
Cards
Creatures
Permanents (including the Primary Mark)
Player Health
Residual effects (Silence, Statuses)
Free Space

Resource gathering (End of Turn quanta generation)
Resource converting (Nova [Card->Quanta], Summoning [Card->Creature])
Resource removal (Control, Damage, Nightmare[free space in the hand is a resource])

At this level there are a lot of different categories of effects.
Resource Gathering can happen for any resource. (permanents are the only current exception in game)
Resource converting can happen for any number of resources into any number of resources.
Resource removal can target any number of resources.
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Re: What Are The Functions ? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25028.msg319603#msg319603
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 03:59:48 pm »
Think of the top of the pyramid of roles as Change (amount of something).
The next row would be the main things that change: Hp Quanta Creatures
Everyone else has pretty much covered the rest of the pyramid
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