Zombie0's FG farming deck, feedback please :D

[zombie0]

You could take out 1 eternity too. Also, I would recommend editing the original post everytime you change the deck list (But keep the first version, so you can keep comparing.)

ok.  probably will need spoiler tags too.  sure appreciate all the people that are following the mutation of the deck.   right now its crazy strong, but it still wants to get better.  i think its almost time to lock down and track some stats

-edit-  how about that

[xdude]

I never said, add Snovas, just take out the Towers

Also, Perma is based on randomness too.

[zombie0]

the -2 damage is reliable, and freeze is a bonus.  hard to tell which part is more important, possibly both are useful more often than just one

turtle shield is more reliable freeze and diamond is best damage tank.  which is more important?  we shall test!

please try the deck before suggesting sweeping changes.  popping into a thread and hitting reply+save before you take time to test is not as helpful as you could be.  your feedback is very valuable and appreciated, so long as its backed up by actual interaction with the deck.

i apologize for the tone, its just that you obviously havent tried your own suggestion.  not saying i wont test unproven ideas, just that you claimed it several times now with a high level of certainty, without any specific proof.  i know the specific good/bad matchups, win chances, and issues the deck has, do you?


-edit-  to further clarify, most the thread feedback has been based on observations i have made, with suggestions based on countering specific mentioned problems or card decisions.  multiple times i have stated that the deck is quantum hungry, and that it falls flat on its face without a silly amount of quantum generation.  you suggested an idea that runs specifically counter to my observations, which implies that you have tested and found other conclusions.  please share your experience during your testing, it runs counter to everything i have seen so far.

[zombie0]

swapped permafrost for diamond shield.  immediately won against eternal phoenix        omg!

[Dm]

Yay for almost reaching the stat-taking level! There is only one thing left to decide..

What shield?

Jade Shield protects against fire lances (Fire Queen), and Octane (UG)
Permafrost is better against people like rainbow, who have hitters who grow, and against a few others where congealing is the best idea.
Diamond is helpful as it gives more defense, but no stall.


About the turtle shield, I say no. It only blocks them for one turn, while if frozen by permafrost it's three turns. Also, has no damage block and isn't reflective.

[Falcon4415]

Jade shield: FFQ ironically draws CC from FQ, so no problem there. Now, Octane...
Diamond: offers big defense, only useful against gods who swarm with little creatures (Osiris, EP, FQ). Decay quanta locks you before you can get it down.
Permafrost: good defense + chance to freeze creatures for 3 turns. Best used against FGs with hard hitters. Also pretty good against swarms.

Conclusion: pack a PF and a Jade shield (optional), or just a PF and skip Octane.

[Ekki]

Wow, I like the twist the deck has taken... I must say that no matter what shield you choose, 1 just isn't enough... Maybe try 1 jade shield and 1 permafrost, just a thought.

BTW, don't add supernovas, it make this deck more unique

[Dm]

Might I add, though that, SUPPOSING (harshly) that Eternal Phoenix has a board full of Minor Phoenixe's (Which is rare, considering he has crimson dragons), if you use permafrost, they all (24, is it?) will deal half the damage (4) so it will be 2. and that will make for 46 (Zmg) And so, it's hard to stop. They might get frozen, though, so it's a plus. And thinking of that, I wonder if you could add the empathic bond back in .Really, it heals for more.

[zombie0]

testing +1 mindgate

typical loss scenario

-good tower hand, 2 hourglasses.  2nd/3rd turn hourglass (exploded).  2nd hourglass (exploded).  deck falls flat on face

early game, the FG trading me 1 card for one card = loss.  wins against permanent control FGs are based around drawing out all the PC, and not dying to creature spam before the deck makes a big move towards winning

mindgate is another mid-late game powerhouse.  might have to remove due to needing good early cards instead

would earthquakes help enough early to be worth using?  the immediate card advantage and potential to disrupt specific quantum sounds good?  the only current issue is diamond shield quantum

diamond shield is a beast.  too bad its just another card to get exploded/stolen against PC decks, but theres not many cards that cause such massive protection if not removed.  the assumption in permafrost being better is successful freeze procs right?

Jade shield: FFQ ironically draws CC from FQ, so no problem there. Now, Octane...
Diamond: offers big defense, only useful against gods who swarm with little creatures (Osiris, EP, FQ). Decay quanta locks you before you can get it down.
Permafrost: good defense + chance to freeze creatures for 3 turns. Best used against FGs with hard hitters. Also pretty good against swarms.

Conclusion: pack a PF and a Jade shield (optional), or just a PF and skip Octane.

the cool thing is, this deck steamrolls decay unless he gets a super draw (eclipse + massive pest + siphon spam + my weak draw)  theres no difference between perma or jade and diamond.  its all the same # of quantum

Might I add, though that, SUPPOSING (harshly) that Eternal Phoenix has a board full of Minor Phoenixe's (Which is rare, considering he has crimson dragons), if you use permafrost, they all (24, is it?) will deal half the damage (4) so it will be 2. and that will make for 46 (Zmg) And so, it's hard to stop. They might get frozen, though, so it's a plus. And thinking of that, I wonder if you could add the empathic bond back in .Really, it heals for more.

it doesnt, because surviving until i have 5+ creatures is why the deck loses.  empathic is another mid-late game hero...a guy that shows up once the rest of the deck has already won and goes "WOOOOOO, WE THE BEST", even though he didnt do crap to help it get there.

and that pretty much sums it up.  theres a TON of great middle to late game cards, but i need more early game ideas

eagle eye is awesome, but completely sucks away air quantum.  this deck needs more quantum issues like the middle east needs more explosives 

[Dm]

Rofl, please edit your post rather then making multiples. It's much better and less time consuming for you, and easier for other to read, too.



Yes, but empathic bonds give heal, helping on epicz EM.

Also, Perma over diamond..


And lastly, No mindgate. It's most likely a tank late game, but late game you are the whole army. You don't need a tank. For EQ... maybe. Maybe you could put Poseidon in it, since it is EQ on a stick and doesn't costs too much Water.

[zombie0]

i dont have one for some reason (besides farming neptune for months...)  if i get one ill test poseidon

-1 mindgate.  frantically searching for ways to improve the early game

basilisk blood is a 6 turn lockdown, and since i usually mutate/eternity bounce creatures, maybe thats a good early addition?

[xdude]

the -2 damage is reliable, and freeze is a bonus.  hard to tell which part is more important, possibly both are useful more often than just one

turtle shield is more reliable freeze and diamond is best damage tank.  which is more important?  we shall test!

please try the deck before suggesting sweeping changes.  popping into a thread and hitting reply+save before you take time to test is not as helpful as you could be.  your feedback is very valuable and appreciated, so long as its backed up by actual interaction with the deck.

i apologize for the tone, its just that you obviously havent tried your own suggestion.  not saying i wont test unproven ideas, just that you claimed it several times now with a high level of certainty, without any specific proof.  i know the specific good/bad matchups, win chances, and issues the deck has, do you?


-edit-  to further clarify, most the thread feedback has been based on observations i have made, with suggestions based on countering specific mentioned problems or card decisions.  multiple times i have stated that the deck is quantum hungry, and that it falls flat on its face without a silly amount of quantum generation.  you suggested an idea that runs specifically counter to my observations, which implies that you have tested and found other conclusions.  please share your experience during your testing, it runs counter to everything i have seen so far.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2156.0.html

11 Towers. 40 cards.

Also: PC's Can Haz Moar Draws:

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52n 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 6u6 6u7 71b 74b 74b 77f 77i 7do 7do 7n0 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q5 7q8 7q9 7q9 7q9 80h 80h
13 Towers. 40 cards.

19 Towers in 47 cards seems just overkill.