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Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4495#msg4495
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »



I'm kind of nub and I built what originally was a 3 color direct damage deck (soul drain/firebolt/icebolt).  Obviously the first idea was terrible, but through a series of trails and errors it eventually turned into what I have here. This works fine in the trainer, but would it hold up in PvP? 
Why/Why not

laf

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Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4496#msg4496
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

It would not work.
Your deck cant handle creatures. All you have is 2 firestorms in 50 cards and a bunch of sundials to delay the death. A critter with a toughness above 3 will kill you. And even the normal creature decks will kill you if they pack a bunch of artifact destruction to handle the sundials.
I doubt that even as metagame deck (anti-rainbow) this will work. I dont think you can handle a single firefly queen and rainbow decks normally run 1 or 2. Nonetheless this is probably the best matchup you can get (very defensive decks with few threats).
Poison as a way to kill your opponent is very slow and needs too much deckspace in a deck not centered about poison kills.

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Poison can kill pretty quick, you don't need a deck that big.  You need more creature control, perhaps congeals, reverse times.... otyugh with heavy armor could work well, it is perhaps the most effective creature killer.  I'm skeptical about the usefullness of the morning stars, because a bonewall will easily hold back 1 morning star.  Use a weapon that has a useful ability (eagle's eye maybe), or titan is 8 unstoppable dmg per round.  You may also want protect artifact for that.

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Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4498#msg4498
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »


So I switched a couple cards around: took out the morningstars for eagle's eyes.  Dropped fire storm completly.  Added one more steal.

The concept I'm trying to work towards is card advantage through forcing dead draws or superior draw speed.  Most of my matches take about 12-14 turns during which I get down to about 4-10 cards.  I usually end the matches I play with ~40-60 health.  I haven't had any serious trouble with creatures outside of maybe mono red or black (everything else is usually too small to hurt after shield reductions).  And neither of those can keep up with the draw power so I end up out lasting them (jade shield stops firebolt/drain life finishers).  I haven't managed to find any mono aether top 50 decks or any poison decks (though im pretty sure a dedicated poison deck would beat me, should I use a miracle?).   Are these numbers reasonable?

My win percentages are pretty much 100% if I see at least two lands in my opening hand.  If I only draw one its ~60% vs the AI.  Should I run more land?

Miracle can be kind of annoying, but most of the decks running it I have really good match ups vs so I just play a little slower towards the 15 card section if I expect it.  I haven't seen or heard of anybody using purify but that could mess me up I suppose.

Edit: Mark is time.

laf

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Drop 3 steals, 1 hourglass. Add 2 firestorm and 2 Thunderbolt which gives you 6 cards to deal with critters.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Drop 3 steals, 1 hourglass. Add 2 firestorm and 2 Thunderbolt which gives you 6 cards to deal with critters.
What creatures do I need to worry about,  and why?

laf

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Mono-red: A bunch of very fast critters and turn 3 12/2 dragons. + artifact destruction
Mono-black: A bunch of not so fast critters and dragons. + steal
Mono... you get it.
Rainbow: A couple of pumple critters (like forest spirit), some immaterials (depending on version) and especially firefly queen. You can use her to feed otyughs (which would feed of the graveyard you may have stolen).
2 eagle eyes are way too few critter control cards in your deck. Even with all the card drawing going on. If your opponent runs a couple of artifact destruction spells you will most likely loose them quickly.

Why dont you play some pvp-duels for practice and see yourself?

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Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4502#msg4502
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Why dont you play some pvp-duels for practice and see yourself?
Because I dont have the cash for rares and the only weapons Ive got so far are enternities >_>

laf

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Ah dont worry. Simply play some pvp-games, loosing isnt bad and it gives you good information about  the strength & weakness of your deck.


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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

Ah dont worry. Simply play some pvp-games, loosing isnt bad and it gives you good information about  the strength & weakness of your deck.
I think what he means is that he's only made this deck in the trainer and tried it out against t50 decks.

Disc-OH!, If you're using Time Mark and decide to run a(n) (Improved) Miracle, I would recommend changing the from Upgraded Sundials to unupgraded Sundials. That way, you're not too intensive on Light quanta and you're able to use it more often, especially when you need it.

laf

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Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4505#msg4505
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

There is a trainer? Didnt knew that.

Anyway, pvp decks tend to be different to the T50 ones. Those seem to be build purely to farm the false gods. I also run a rainbow deck against gods, but pvp Im usually running mono-red and this deck is still missing a couple of rares.

Working on an attrition build, need some advice. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=469.msg4506#msg4506
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 10:09:52 pm »

There is a trainer? Didnt knew that.

Anyway, pvp decks tend to be different to the T50 ones. Those seem to be build purely to farm the false gods. I also run a rainbow deck against gods, but pvp Im usually running mono-red and this deck is still missing a couple of rares.
This is the trainer.
http://www.elementsthegame.com/trainer.html

 

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