Workable 30-card Nymph Tear or Mutation deck?

[HeartNotes]

Is it possible to win with a Nymph's Tears or Mutation deck unupgraded against the T50 or AI5 without running into a laughably lame and random AI opponent or a farm?

I've tried several different spreads, but I always seem to get stomped in the first 9 turns... I'm trying to build a spread of decent permanent control and light CC, with decent creatures while I get the Mutations/Nymphs set up.

I keep on running into the problem that I need Aether to Quint my creatures on the first turn (Fallen Elf, Green Nymph that I own, Teared Water Nymph) or else they die horribly fast but Aether's Dimensional Shield is too expensive and broken through too easily at the upper levels, though Mindgate continues to be useful in a rainbow deck, but fairly useless in Duo since I'm always slaughtered by turn 10.

I want to make one deck with Nymph Tear's and Steam Machine, but I'm not sure what support or permanent cards to put in. Same goes for the Mutation deck: Do I put in Maxwell's Demons? Should I use the spell Mutation or the creature Fallen Elf as source of mutation or both? Also, I have like 6 Schroedinger's Cats, are they decent mutation fodder because of their cheap cost?

[Essence]

If you're fighting the t50 unupped, you have to rely on blazing speed and a little luck -- not a situation for nymph's tears.  That leaves Mutation.   A Mutation deck is going to have to be very quick, which will make it unreliable, but a few tools in your belt can help that.

Start with something like this:

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And work from there.


On the other hand, Level 5 opponents tend to start slow and build to large heights -- Mutation isn't the right tool for them.  Nymph's Tears, on the other hand, can make a great weapon against them.   Abusing the Antimatter/Liquid Shadow combo for the kill is your goal, the other cards are only there to make sure you survive long enough to keep a Purple and a Dark Nymph out:

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Again, use this as a starting point and build into a deck that fits your playstyle.

[7wavemaster]

My nymph deck has 10 entropy pends and can BARELY sustain a single nymph......

[EvaRia]

Aether nymph rush works pretty well for T50. Certainly not ideal, since it is sort of slow, but against the slower FG decks the ability to quint your creatures helps a lot.

Can't remember the deck code off-hand, but it's 8 water pillars, 6 tears, and rest aether pends with water mark.

[funerallaughter]

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edited version of 7wavemaster's "fun" un-upped nymph deck, fast and ferocious (:

[HeartNotes]

Thanks, I'll give some of these a try over the next week since I have a little cushion of money to sustain some minor losses and get back if I've tweaked any of them.

Huh. I only had one Antimatter and Butterfly Effect (though I bought another) and one Mutation, so I stuffed the rest of the rest with Sparks for fodder and Maxwell's Demon. With an excess of Life Quanta, I discovered something when you have three or four Elves on the field... continually mutating the enemy into something you can Paradox is a really cool strategy. First, I turned into a Colossal Dragon, went "uh oh" and mutated it again into another Dragon with high attack and low defense which got promptly nuked. Awesome.

[HeartNotes]

Welp, I played for a while and I have to say that Nymph Tear decks get stomped really freaking fast. I think it might be more of a support card to be played in a late-game sort of period rather than sitting there feeling helpless while mana builds up with nothing to do in the meantime. I'm thinking about trying a Forest-Spirit centered deck with Life pendulums and three or four other pillars for the Nymph's Tear but I only own two FS right now.

As for the other, this is what little I came up with. I upgraded a Fallen Elf because it's the card I enjoy the most. There may be other cards more important in a rainbow deck (Supernova, Electrum Hourglass, Towers) but this and an upgraded Arctic Squid were what I wanted first.

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I settled on Horned Frogs because you really really need that early offense and Entropy creatures are rather expensive, especially Maxwell's Demons and they can be mutated as ready as any other critter. I also got a Nymph from the Oracle, but a couple Adrenalines would serve just as well, I think. I just find that casting Adrenaline on the Fallen Elves makes them just as offensive as a Frog in the same circumstance and doing that has saved my butt a number of times.

I haven't really tested it for any kind of win/lose ratio or optimized it but it seems to perform well enough in AI3. Unfortunately, it gets steamrolled in Top50 for obvious reasons (lack of ready-available creature control besides mutation, stolen Discords, unable to kill the enemy by turn 7 for those damn Immobows and upgraded Life Rushes, etc.) and the only thing that I can get by with is that really-cookie cutter unupgraded No Land Stompy deck. It feels cheap, but that's how I earned enough money to upgrade my druid (the deck I'd really rather optimize and be playing at)

[funerallaughter]

slow? do your tear the water pend first?

[EowynRoh13]

What's the win/loss ratio against false gods?

Aether nymph rush works pretty well for T50. Certainly not ideal, since it is sort of slow, but against the slower FG decks the ability to quint your creatures helps a lot.

Can't remember the deck code off-hand, but it's 8 water pillars, 6 tears, and rest aether pends with water mark.

[EowynRoh13]

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How workable is this deck against false gods and PVP?