What deck to use to beat Gold League?

[Hodari]

Eh, CCYB. What better to kill a pseudo-false-god, than a false god killer?

The biggest problem with CCYB, at least the versions I have tried, is it is very much dependent on its permanents to keep you alive.  In particular, since you have relatively few towers, EQ or a few early explosions or steals on those can be devastating and even more so when combined with BH.  Losing your weapon or shield can also be a huge problem.  And unlike some FG's, you can't just drop an hourglass and rely on that to protect the more essential permanents since many arena decks will have 12 or even 24 PC cards in there plus double draw meaning that they will likely be able to play several in a row very early in the game.

Also pure rush decks can win before you have time to setup and poison decks can be a problem as well.  All of these seem to be very common right now

[Aves]

True. However, have you tried putting in PA? The variant I use has one- for Pulvy, or usually permafrost, as its more important for my defense- can be all you need. 2 Or 3 would probably work better, but that does drain earth quanta a bit fast, with pulvy+golem needing it too.

Poison rush usually uses scorpions, right? as long as the death/forest scorpion isn't quinted, mind flayer/ulitharid can take it easily.
Neurotoxin is annoying, but beatable if you're careful.
As for the normal rush deck, eh. It's basically a race to see who can set up faster, yeah. Nothing you can do about that, but it's certainly not an auto-loss.

[v69]

Just tried The Area for the first time today.
I chose Gold League for the reason that it seems the best in terms of cost/reward ratio.
Didn't bother to make a new deck for it and just went for it with RoL&Hope deck with 3 Dragon and 2 Elctro.
I guess it was about 65 % win ratio. Managed to win 4 in a raw and got a reward of a special spin.
Very nice place to earn score, money, and upgraded rare cards.
It's safe to say better than fighting against FGs in current early stage.

The guy who built a deck with Nightmares / Ghosts of the Past was a killer combo which is a big time counter-Fractal and the nemesis against RoL & Hope deck. Took me down at the first encounter but I drawed the deck again and the second time, I somehow dodged the bullet because AI was a little clumsy and won the battle, whcih was the forth and final battle to get a special spin reward. Won a Improved Miracle at the special spin.

[Calindu]

Just tried The Area for the first time today.
I chose Gold League for the reason that it seems the best in terms of cost/reward ratio.
Didn't bother to make a new deck for it and just went for it with RoL&Hope deck with 3 Dragon and 2 Elctro.
I guess it was about 65 % win ratio. Managed to win 4 in a raw and got a reward of a special spin.
Very nice place to earn score, money, and upgraded rare cards.
It's safe to say better than fighting against FGs in current early stage.

The guy who built a deck with Nightmares / Ghosts of the Past was a killer combo which is a big time counter-Fractal and the nemesis against RoL & Hope deck. Took me down at the first encounter but I drawed the deck again and the second time, I somehow dodged the bullet because AI was a little clumsy and won the battle, whcih was the forth and final battle to get a special spin reward. Won a Improved Miracle at the special spin.

Nice!But RoL/hope is deffinently way to slow to be worth in gold league.I usually use an v2(Zombie0 version),The JMZ Classic or Pestal(All 3 works in platinum(Maybe better because they are not many rushes).

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[Gorthos]

Cremate rush.

I just playtested for an hour (61 minutes).  I had these results:
initial electrum: 5583
initial score: 31260
initial time: 3:09
lost 20
won 21
finished at 4:10
final electrum 8712 plus 1 upped card won in a spin
final score 34121
3129 electrum gain (51 per minute) (not counting the value of the upped card)
2861 score gain (46 per minute)

I skipped games that looked impossible/unlikely to win, as soon as possible (e.g. enemy kills all my lava destroyers on turn 2, really bad hand, enemy will clearly kill me before I kill him, etc).

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[v69]

Nice!But RoL/hope is deffinently way to slow to be worth in gold league.I usually use an v2(Zombie0 version),The JMZ Classic or Pestal(All 3 works in platinum(Maybe better because they are not many rushes).

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Thans a lot for the tips. I'll take my time and test the decks you recommended.
After the 4 consecutive wins, wining ratio quickly went down, and noticed that there are bunch of decks whch have Fire Shield / Fire Buckler which is a nemesis of RoL & Hope deck. And I understood that I need to change the deck to win the games consistently.

I think that I saw a similar type of a deck you mentioned with Minor Phoenixes with Cremations. A little like Eternal Phoenix, both work very fast, but different approaches, one uses cremations to create quantum, the other duplicates Minor Phoenixes with Fractals.
Pillerless and the use of cremations boosting the speed a lot which is a good strategy for fighting against slow decks for sure, and my initial feeling for the Gold league was that so many decks tend to be slow because of their deck size.
So sacrifice Gnome Gemfinders for Cremations right away, right? Or you wait for Gnome Gemfinders generating some fire quantum?

Right now, because of lack of Shards , I need to fight in The Arena.
Looks like Shards are available in regular spins, but I realized after the spins that you can only get un-upped cards in regular spins at Gold league.
I was wondering if the regular spins at Platinum are the same with the Gold or they offer Upgraded cards.
Depending on the cards you can get at regular spins, I'll challenge the Platinum too.

In the meantime, my current project is to build CCYB and got all cards upped but no Shards I got as I mentioned, so I have to start from the un-upped CCYB version, kindly created by kirchj33.
Anyway I will farm at The Arena for the time being with the decks you mentioned and un-upped CCWB.
Can't wait. And someday I'd like to submit my deck to The Arena too.

[Calindu]

I think that I saw a similar type of a deck you mentioned with Minor Phoenixes with Cremations. A little like Eternal Phoenix, both work very fast, but different approaches, one uses cremations to create quantum, the other duplicates Minor Phoenixes with Fractals.<-----Fractix?,should work.
So sacrifice Gnome Gemfinders(or minor phoenixes) for Cremations right away, right? Or you wait for Gnome Gemfinders generating some earth quantum?<----Don't wait,sacrifice when you have the combo(only if you need the quanta to summon)

Looks like Shards are available in regular spins, but I realized after the spins that you can only get un-upped cards in regular spins at Gold league.
I was wondering if the regular spins at Platinum are the same with the Gold or they offer Upgraded cards.<------Same as gold

Hope this will help you,i wroted with yellow color.

[v69]

Thanks, calindu221.

Yesterday, tested CCYB with half Towers, half Pillars, 6 Sanctuarys, and the rest of the cards all upped with Light mark.
Unfortunately barely worked. Took down Elidnis in the first battle, then lost several games against FGs in a raw.
Light mark is a big issue first of all, and without Supernovas, the generating speed of quanta is a big problem, so as the deck size which is too big.

Now, I'll shift my interest to The JMZ Classic you mentioned, which is the quickest I could build right now. only need a Ulitharid and a Elite Charger.
Then go to v2 Fire deck, which would take some time to build. I only got 4 Gravity Forces (used to use them for the anti-FGs Voodoo deck), 2 Lava, and 1 Explosion, so.

>Same as gold

So as Silver and Bronze?
If the score and the money you earn and of course the difficulty level are the only differences, and the objective is to get a particular rare card, then lesser Leagues should be better to farm, unless certain criteria and rules like no upped cards admitted to play are applied to play .
Or if there is no rare cards in regular spins at Bronze and Silver League, then no use playing, just waste of time to me.

[Calindu]

Thanks, calindu221.

Yesterday, tested CCYB with half Towers, half Pillars, 6 Sanctuarys, and the rest of the cards all upped with Light mark.
Unfortunately barely worked. Took down Elidnis in the first battle, then lost several games against FGs in a raw.
Light mark is a big issue first of all, and without Supernovas, the generating speed of quanta is a big problem, so as the deck size which is too big.

Now, I'll shift my interest to The JMZ Classic you mentioned, which is the quickest I could build right now. only need a Ulitharid and a Elite Charger.
Then go to v2 Fire deck, which would take some time to build. I only got 4 Gravity Forces (used to use them for the anti-FGs Voodoo deck), 2 Lava, and 1 Explosion, so.

>Same as gold

So as Silver and Bronze?
If the score and the money you earn and of course the difficulty level are the only differences, and the objective is to get a particular rare card, then lesser Leagues should be better to farm, unless certain criteria and rules like no upped cards admitted to play are applied to play .
Or if there is no rare cards in regular spins at Bronze and Silver League, then no use playing, just waste of time to me.

CCYB will doesn't work,is like CCYB vs. Rainbow.

I recommend the other decks,works wonderful for arena.

[v69]

CCYB will doesn't work,is like CCYB vs. Rainbow.

I recommend the other decks,works wonderful for arena.

>CCYB will doesn't work,is like CCYB vs. Rainbow.

I see.

Meanwhile, The JMZ Classic (I've built the deck which Essence posted) didn't work at The Arena, either.
Rainbow decks are just too slow to set up offence and defence, too fragile to be consistent. That deck is for the Bronze. It gets overmatched at Gold and Platinum.

I have a good feeling toward the Fire deck though because of the speed and instant fire power / very cheap and effective CC and PC.
I might complete the deck and test it today.

[omegareaper7]

CCYB will doesn't work,is like CCYB vs. Rainbow.

I recommend the other decks,works wonderful for arena.

>CCYB will doesn't work,is like CCYB vs. Rainbow.

I see.

Meanwhile, The JMZ Classic (I've built the deck which Essence posted) didn't work at The Arena, either.
Rainbow decks are just too slow to set up offence and defence, too fragile to be consistent. That deck is for the Bronze. It gets overmatched at Gold and Platinum.

I have a good feeling toward the Fire deck though because of the speed and instant fire power / very cheap and effective CC and PC.
I might complete the deck and test it today.

Speedbows are anything BUT slow, and they are fairly consistent seeing as there usually 30 cards. JMZ classic was for silver, not bronze, get it right. No one ever said it would do well in platinum, it gets wins in gold which quickly balance out the losses.

[v69]

Speedbows are anything BUT slow, and they are fairly consistent seeing as there usually 30 cards. JMZ classic was for silver, not bronze, get it right. No one ever said it would do well in platinum, it gets wins in gold which quickly balance out the losses.

>Speedbows

Didn't know the term "Speedbow" until I checked it on the forum. (willng3 posted "Supernova-based Speedbow List", http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27792.0.html, which is a pretty elaborate work I must say.)Anyway, I have to say that my feeling towards rainbow decks using Towers and Supernovas is getting skeptical now.  That being said, I haven't built and tested complete models for anti- FGs such as CCYB yet. So I'll see.

As for the Jazz Classic, I tested the deck Essence posted. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28027.msg382197#msg382197)
And modified it according to the guide in the post, "Update: Works 150% better for Gold with -1 Graboid, -1 Archangel, +1 Pulverizer, +1 Crusader.  Very worthwhile changeup.".
Seems like that he regards the deck as a Gold league farmer.
Or am I misunderstood?

>JMZ classic was for silver, not bronze

Tested with Bronze and Silver, too yeasterday. Played just a several games each, though. And at Silver, about 50 to 60% win percentage, maybe?
But the letdown towards the deck made me stop quickly.