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unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg237827#msg237827
« on: January 01, 2011, 10:03:34 am »
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i havent tried anything else so if u do try it feedback would be appreciated

thanx

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Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg237912#msg237912
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2011, 02:47:56 pm »
hmmm, a completly different approach at pvp than i do...my comments might be off, cause i have absolutely no experience with this kind of deck...

I am afraid, i do see a lot of weaknesses in this build...i will explain:

1) the deck is dangerously slow for pvp...well built pvp decks have a killing speed about 5-8 turns, and you need 6 :aether to play your dim shield...so either you are lucky and draw 1 of your 2 sundials or your quantum pillars generate some arther quanta.
Sure you can delay speed decks further with silence, but this again uses your precious  :aether quanta...

2) Even when you have setup your dim shield, its a game of luck to have sufficient quanta to setup the second...

3) you might kill some creatures with rain of fire...but as you need 7  :fire quanta for it, growing creatures might have grown out of reach..then what?

--> the deck is slow in stalling, isnt able to achieve stall reliable and lacks efficient creature control to ensure survival after the last dim shield went down

4) Quanta issues: There are many cards that need a lot of quanta to work...e.g. crusader, titan, titanium shield (need those  :earth quanta for graboids, eternity

5) punch: your main damage dealers are those two graboids...thats it. maybe a crusader if your enemy has a decent weapon you can endow... even IF you achieve a stall long enough, kill most/all enemies creatures, you managed to bring some skellies on the table...your enemy will probably have enough time to recover before he is dead...

6) weaknesses: you are set on some specific combos...a single well placed deflagration or lightning bolt can pretty much ruin your plans...even with cloak, as it only has a duration of 2 turns...

On some specific cards you use:
Purify: Sure a great card against poison...but if enemy doesnt use much poison, almost useless...
Butterfly effect: Another cool card with nice effect...but i do see any creature you can use it on...i assume the nymph you want to create? but it will then loose its nice ability...oh wait...just a second...crusader will do...but you still need 5 :light and 5 :entropy for this to work...hmmm...furthermore: when playing pvp count how many permanents your enemy plays during the game the really need to be removed...
Nymph tear: using nymph tear on a quantum pillar will create a random nymph...which one do really want to have for winning?
cloak: nice card to buy some time against targeted spells...but which of your cards urgently needs protection?
catapult: can be a real nasty damage dealer...but which high HP creatures are you going to toss? i dont see any!

Again, sorry for tearing your deck apart. it might be better then i expect it to be...but from what i see, i expect a lot of losses...

i wont state many improvement ideas right now, as there is one aspect that should be set before changing the deck: what should be the main theme of the deck?
do you still want to slow down/stall your enemy while setting up a lock? -> you might be better of doing this with a mono/duo deck...
or are you looking for some completely new ideas?

Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg237960#msg237960
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2011, 04:38:59 pm »
hmmm, a completly different approach at pvp than i do...my comments might be off, cause i have absolutely no experience with this kind of deck...

I am afraid, i do see a lot of weaknesses in this build...i will explain:

1) the deck is dangerously slow for pvp...well built pvp decks have a killing speed about 5-8 turns, and you need 6 :aether to play your dim shield...so either you are lucky and draw 1 of your 2 sundials or your quantum pillars generate some arther quanta.
Sure you can delay speed decks further with silence, but this again uses your precious  :aether quanta...

2) Even when you have setup your dim shield, its a game of luck to have sufficient quanta to setup the second...

3) you might kill some creatures with rain of fire...but as you need 7  :fire quanta for it, growing creatures might have grown out of reach..then what?

--> the deck is slow in stalling, isnt able to achieve stall reliable and lacks efficient creature control to ensure survival after the last dim shield went down

4) Quanta issues: There are many cards that need a lot of quanta to work...e.g. crusader, titan, titanium shield (need those  :earth quanta for graboids, eternity

5) punch: your main damage dealers are those two graboids...thats it. maybe a crusader if your enemy has a decent weapon you can endow... even IF you achieve a stall long enough, kill most/all enemies creatures, you managed to bring some skellies on the table...your enemy will probably have enough time to recover before he is dead...

6) weaknesses: you are set on some specific combos...a single well placed deflagration or lightning bolt can pretty much ruin your plans...even with cloak, as it only has a duration of 2 turns...

On some specific cards you use:
Purify: Sure a great card against poison...but if enemy doesnt use much poison, almost useless...
Butterfly effect: Another cool card with nice effect...but i do see any creature you can use it on...i assume the nymph you want to create? but it will then loose its nice ability...oh wait...just a second...crusader will do...but you still need 5 :light and 5 :entropy for this to work...hmmm...furthermore: when playing pvp count how many permanents your enemy plays during the game the really need to be removed...
Nymph tear: using nymph tear on a quantum pillar will create a random nymph...which one do really want to have for winning?
cloak: nice card to buy some time against targeted spells...but which of your cards urgently needs protection?
catapult: can be a real nasty damage dealer...but which high HP creatures are you going to toss? i dont see any!

Again, sorry for tearing your deck apart. it might be better then i expect it to be...but from what i see, i expect a lot of losses...

i wont state many improvement ideas right now, as there is one aspect that should be set before changing the deck: what should be the main theme of the deck?
do you still want to slow down/stall your enemy while setting up a lock? -> you might be better of doing this with a mono/duo deck...
or are you looking for some completely new ideas?
thanx for this feedback, yeah i no it has a lot of weakness's but i designed this for a tournament only. its slow to start off but if the other player doesnt have high damage u can get in there with a dimensional shield. rain of fire is just to get a skeleton, for the butterfly effect, and to damage some of the larger creatures. yeah it does tend to fall apart once they start using creature control. i dont care wat nymph i get i just wanted something to do a bit more damage and as i dont have a nymph currently its the best i have. the catapult and a few other cards r only in it because the tourneys special rules r the new cards. after playing it i enjoyed the challenge because u do have to use strategy and no wen to play the right cards instead of just chucking this and that out. if u wouldnt mind can u suggest wat cards u would put in to make it a better deck :) thanx again for having a look at it

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Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg237982#msg237982
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2011, 05:23:53 pm »
ah! it would have been really helpful if you mentioned that tournament before^^

a few more comments before i start:
1) this should be moved to deck help ;)
2) dont know if it is a good idea to ask for help for a tournament deck in public...your enemies might know your deck...

but anyway...now that i read the tournament rules, lets go ;) so you need to have 6 copies of new cards, eh?

the thing about this tournament is, that i would expect certain kinds of decks:

crusader: + weapons (light duo)
catapults: + huge creatures (grav mono/duo)
silence: aether stalls (aether mono/duo)
cat: graveyard decks
skyblitz: air blitz (air mono/duo)

for your current build, i am sorry...i got no good ideas how improve it that much, that it could be successful. sorry.

i think your idea going for a stall deck isnt that bad, but i would rebuild your deck towards a mono/duo, something like this:
mono aether: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
you might change that of course to fit your needs...

alternatives could be:
cat/vulture http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
crusader/dagger: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
or any other kind of duo with crusaders like this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18023.0.html
flying armagios: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17683.0.html
or maybe a mono black with cloaks...

anyway...i would recommend using a mono/duo deck. any of them should more successful then your current build.

Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg238273#msg238273
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 11:12:47 pm »
ah! it would have been really helpful if you mentioned that tournament before^^

a few more comments before i start:
1) this should be moved to deck help ;)
2) dont know if it is a good idea to ask for help for a tournament deck in public...your enemies might know your deck...

but anyway...now that i read the tournament rules, lets go ;) so you need to have 6 copies of new cards, eh?

the thing about this tournament is, that i would expect certain kinds of decks:

crusader: + weapons (light duo)
catapults: + huge creatures (grav mono/duo)
silence: aether stalls (aether mono/duo)
cat: graveyard decks
skyblitz: air blitz (air mono/duo)

for your current build, i am sorry...i got no good ideas how improve it that much, that it could be successful. sorry.

i think your idea going for a stall deck isnt that bad, but i would rebuild your deck towards a mono/duo, something like this:
mono aether: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
you might change that of course to fit your needs...

alternatives could be:
cat/vulture http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
crusader/dagger: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17324.0.html
or any other kind of duo with crusaders like this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18023.0.html
flying armagios: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17683.0.html
or maybe a mono black with cloaks...

anyway...i would recommend using a mono/duo deck. any of them should more successful then your current build.
thats y i didnt mention the tournamnet cause i wasnt sure if i was allowed, so i ended up not playing it at all and instead used mono/dual decks.

thankx for the links and ur feedback :)

i will fiddle around with it and change it, and then wen im satisfied that it is a better deck i will repost the new deck

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Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg238301#msg238301
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2011, 12:14:44 am »
well, i read that you made it to the second round...what did u use in the end?

Re: unupped rainbow deck with new cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18666.msg238428#msg238428
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2011, 04:27:50 am »
well, i read that you made it to the second round...what did u use in the end?
i used a mono aether with 6 silence, 6 phase dragons, 6 dimensional shields and 12 aether pillars for 1 round.

a dark/aether deck as well. with 6 devourers, 6 drain life, 4 fractal, 2 minor vampires, 4 silence, 2 cloak..idea is play out ur decourers and get them set up, if u come agianst a guy with large dmagae creatures chuck out vampires and fractal them...let ur darkness quanta build up and then drain life. mark: aether

and my other deck wich i lost with was light/life. 7 light pillars, 4 light pendulums, 6 crusaders, 3 druidic staffs, 6 adrenaline, 4 life pillars. this worked well the first time i used it but then i came up against with a similar deck to the dark/aether and i couldnt get anything out.

 

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