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cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10388#msg10388
« on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

First, I'd like you to see how quick and easy level 3 matches can be. Try out this inexpensive deck from the money you have right now (you'll probably be able to afford it with the cards you have and matches played so far), and change your mark to Time for this deck:



This deck will help you fly through level 3 matches, winning pretty much all of them except when a level 3 deck uses the Paradox ability on you.

Now back to your deck...

You need to find a focus. Do you like using mutation and chaos seed to mutate creatures and give you interesting abilities? If so, there are better ways to do that with a deck and the Entropy mark. You have some good things going for you there with the Photons, Mutation, Novas, and Quantum Pillars to help give you cheap creature blanks and a variety of quanta to use whatever new abilities they gain.

But dump the Abominations and Purple Dragons. Those are holding your theme back.

Instead, use cheap, easier to produce creatures as ammo for your mutations. A good example is three more photons and possibly Deja Vu since it can create copies of itself as mutation ammo. But that takes Time quanta, at least only a little. So I'd drop a couple Amethyst Pillars and add a couple more Quantum Pillars. Or better yet, add 6 Novas in there instead of some of the Amethysts.

Also, go all 6 mutation spells and drop 2 (or all) chaos seed spells.

And finally, since you are Entropy, and you apparently like the mutation theme, why not put in two Fallen Elfs or Fallen Druids? And if you really want to splash color into that Entropy deck, you can always add a Firefly Queen or Elite Queen to help you make mutation ammo.

I hope that helps. :)

cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10389#msg10389
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

The first thing I can see is that you really don't need the novas or quantum pillars. All your other cards are mono-entropy. You'll find if you strip out those, you'll have more room for useful cards like more chaos seeds or purple dragons
Did you see his theme? It's mutation. And when he upgrades those cards, it will be improved mutation. He'll need a variety of different quanta to use the abilities from mutated creatures. Did you forget about that?

cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10390#msg10390
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

I don't see mutation as a theme in the deck as it stands. It looks more like creature control.
He mentions it right here...

The deck below usually works great (it's kind of like the speed entropy decks on here) but the proton->mutate is usually pretty powerful.

cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10391#msg10391
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

That said, I wouldn't be playing Entropy. I prefer to minimise the amount of chance in my deck and achieve consistency, rather than flashes of brilliance.
He came here wanting help with his Entropy deck. While I wouldn't play this kind of Entropy deck either, it's what he has. And he doesn't have upgraded cards... yet. So other than what I recommended for the Earth deck and other than his deck with more mutation power, what would you recommend with non-upgraded cards for level 3 battles?

cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10392#msg10392
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

I also PvP with it sometimes :)
/facepalm

Do you do that just so others can win? That's a level 3 deck, not an end-game deck.

cipher_nemo

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10393#msg10393
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

Supernovas are better for purpose because they are more reliable (you will get 2 of each element) and you won't need very much quantum. In a deck like this I would never take Quantum Towers over Supernovas.
Since he has the Entropy mark and pillars that produce Entropy mana, Super Novas are perfect for this deck. But did you notice that he's running non-upgraded cards? That's why I mentioned Novas only. And if he's running just Novas right now, the Quantum Pillars (and pillars, not towers yet), he's better off with a mixture.

But I agree, 6 Super Novas eventually in this deck would be ideal.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10394#msg10394
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

Do you ever find that you have more quanta than you need? It looks like you might be able to swap out a pillar or two.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10395#msg10395
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

I think the deck would perform better if he dropped the mutation theme. It's potentially powerful, but also could potentially hinder him. I'd be more inclined, with an unupgraded deck, to run more of a control/disruption style than a chancy aggro.

That said, I wouldn't be playing Entropy. I prefer to minimise the amount of chance in my deck and achieve consistency, rather than flashes of brilliance.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10396#msg10396
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

Most people who PVP (in my experience) don't have the best decks. Most people with decent decks spend their time grinding the CPU because it's faster.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10397#msg10397
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

The first thing I can see is that you really don't need the novas or quantum pillars. All your other cards are mono-entropy. You'll find if you strip out those, you'll have more room for useful cards like more chaos seeds or purple dragons.

Or alternatively you could change up your decktype if you can afford it. There are definitely some decks which are better than others in this game for taking on L3, t50 and the False Gods (though PVP is a bit more of a mix), and it's worth spending some time reading about them and working out what they are and how they work.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10398#msg10398
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

Well, as I said, if I were running Entropy I'd run mono, dump in a few more Chaos Seeds and a couple of harder-hitting creatures like dragons.

If I were just running any unupgraded L3 deck I would probably run mono-fire or mono-earth. I'm playing a lot with poison at the moment, but I don't think it works quite so well unupgraded.

Daxx

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Trying to Beat level 3's (and eventually T50's) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=1105.msg10399#msg10399
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 10:10:19 pm »

The first thing I can see is that you really don't need the novas or quantum pillars. All your other cards are mono-entropy. You'll find if you strip out those, you'll have more room for useful cards like more chaos seeds or purple dragons
Did you see his theme? It's mutation. And when he upgrades those cards, it will be improved mutation. He'll need a variety of different quanta to use the abilities from mutated creatures. Did you forget about that?
I don't see mutation as a theme in the deck as it stands. It looks more like creature control. Just because you have mutation does not mean it must be the be-all and end-all of your deck, and it's certainly not a strategy you should base your deck around when it's un-upgraded.

If he wants to upgrade his cards, then yes it's possible that mutation is more viable. But he's looking to kill L3s right now, he's not looking at upgrading any time soon.

 

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