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Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234089#msg234089
« on: December 27, 2010, 02:04:18 pm »
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It all started with a copy of a suggested PvP Deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7528.0.html) and I just added a few modifications.

Goal is to get a lot of (burrowed) Shriekers on the field, a Forest Spirit or two and annoy the opponent with Fire Shield/Lightning/Rain of Fire. Anubis is there to protect everyone, Momentum to avoid shields and Trident/Deflagration/Steal to get rid of Pillars/Permanents

The deck isn't bad at all (20 games, 80% win rate). But I still have a few Quantum problems, that my hand isn't getting smaller.

Any suggestions?

Thanks & Greets,
JerichoMadness

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Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234097#msg234097
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 02:39:13 pm »
Not really suggestions, but rather some questions:

1) How often did you have that Trident early enough that its special ability (Land destruction) made a difference?
2) How often did you have both Steals on hand AND you had the right quanta to play them both?
3) How often did you put Anubis to good use?
4) How often did you have sufficient quanta for the rain of fire AND it was really needed for winning?
5) How often did you have the sufficient quanta to play fire shield AND it was a game winner?

All those choices seem for me quite expensive...as your quanta base relies about 50% on Novas, i imagine that these are the cards that could be replaced maybe...

Last 6) You said your hand is not becomming smaller...which cards usually fill your hand?

Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234121#msg234121
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 03:14:19 pm »
1) I used to have 2 Earthquakes instead of the Trident. I think the ability helped out here and there. Only problem was the Earth Quanta that were needed for the Graboids.

2) I was also thinking that one Steal would be enough, but you're right there.

3) Haven't drawn him that often, so I haven't used him and his ability that often. But when I think about it, he is rather useless since I can borrow the Shriekers...

4 & 5) Fire Quanta, that was a main problem. That was also why I moved out my Steam Machine. I was thinking of replacing the Fire Shield with an Ice Shield

6) Usually a Momentum, because I don't need to use it. The Fire Shield/Rain of Fire, sometimes one to two Graboids.

Remove:

- 1 Steal
- Fire Shield
- Rain of Fire (?)
- Anubis
- 1 Momentum (?)

I am thinking to add a lot of things (Reverse Time, Armagio, Otyugh....), but I'm the kind of person to think of every situation and adding a lot of different cards and ending up with cards like Fire Shield, Anubis or Rain of Fire ;-) And that is my main problem.

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Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234447#msg234447
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2010, 11:50:55 pm »
1) I used to have 2 Earthquakes instead of the Trident. I think the ability helped out here and there. Only problem was the Earth Quanta that were needed for the Graboids.


help out here and there doesnt really sound very strong...

2) I was also thinking that one Steal would be enough, but you're right there.

3) Haven't drawn him that often, so I haven't used him and his ability that often. But when I think about it, he is rather useless since I can borrow the Shriekers...

4 & 5) Fire Quanta, that was a main problem. That was also why I moved out my Steam Machine. I was thinking of replacing the Fire Shield with an Ice Shield

6) Usually a Momentum, because I don't need to use it. The Fire Shield/Rain of Fire, sometimes one to two Graboids.

Remove:

- 1 Steal
- Fire Shield
- Rain of Fire (?)
- Anubis
- 1 Momentum (?)


i would probably keep the second momentum for the moment...and i would give a hammer or a vampire stiletto a try instead of the trident...coming closse to this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7528.0.html

Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234470#msg234470
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 12:14:36 am »
thing is, u made the original deck larger, slim it back down to 30 again, and u won't have these problems any more (as long as u keep a right amount of pillars and novas)

Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234728#msg234728
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2010, 11:13:26 am »
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I'm trying to thin it out, but I'm not sure at all what's useless and what's not.

i would probably keep the second momentum for the moment...and i would give a hammer or a vampire stiletto a try instead of the trident...coming closse to this one: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7528.0.html
Since I've read your post about the momentums I used them every second battle :D

Haven't got a vampire stiletto, so I thought a Lobotomizer would be a bit better...

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Re: Need help with a Rainbow Deck against PvP I https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18402.msg234731#msg234731
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 11:25:17 am »
The deck looks much better... :D

But i think, it is really unlikely, that you will have enough quanta to play and use the lobo...it is crucial for a deck like this to be able to actually play the cards you draw...so most cards can be played with 2 novas, which you are very much likely to draw within the first 10 cards...

i would further remove 1 lightning (2 seems enough), the lobo (you might want to replace it with a mindflayer?) and the reflective shield (you wont be hit by direct damage often enough to justify this shield)

if you really want to have 2 weapons, i would add a hammer or a second arsenic...if you really want to have 2 shields, a second fog shield will do fine...

btw: this is the build, i use for pvp1, pretty much the same, mostly the basic speedbow from the forums:
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