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Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29447#msg29447
« on: February 25, 2010, 07:58:30 pm »
I only play this game casually, a few games every day, and after trying a few unupgraded rainbow deck versions, I finally managed to get my oty upgraded.
I seem to have terrible luck against fake gods with all of those version, even when I pick my fights, and barely ever win cards from spins.
So now, I want to make a rainbow that is solid against half bloods, but would also have a decent shot against the fake gods. If I'm going to have crappy luck on spins, then at least I want to get a few spins each day from those limited number of games I play.

So I came up with this deck idea:
An anubis for more quints on my creatures, and 2 quints to help start with an immortal anubis. The deck became too heavy on time though, so I replaced two quantum pillars with time factories, just to increase the chance for time quanta early on (which seems to have helped).
I want to cycle through my deck as quickly as possible, stalling my opponent as much as I can while I gather the quanta I need, and survive with aflatoxin+feral bonds while a protected eternity send a cell back to my deck when needed.
With anubis in play, I could quint a cell or two, to guarantee a multitude of them at all times. The FFQ is there for backup, in case my cell gets destroyed before I get the chance to protect it.
My oty and golem will be the heavy hitters, the elf will produce some more useful creatures, and the boneyard is another safety net to keep my field of monsters as large as possible.

This sounds nice in theory, but I feel like this deck is still too slow (compared to my previous rainbow), especially the death part in it, and I have no safety net to survive if my opponent has a few strong monsters in play while I still have to build up. I considered adding a miracle for that, since I don't use the white quanta now, but I really want to keep my deck at 40 cards. My mind flayer seems to be the only actually replaceable card in there, so I might consider switching it for a miracle. But then, I'll lose the option to add back in that extra quantum pillar or two, and my death part would still be slow. Also, this deck is kind of weak on the defensive side, with only one shield, but I'm trying to keep this deck as small as possible.

What would you remove and/or add to make this deck faster? Should I really stay on the more reliable 40 cards, or just add a few (5?) more cards? I've already decided I wasn't going to add bone pillars, since I'm not going to be using it save those three cards.

Any comments or feedback would be greatly appreciated, and I thank you in advance for your time. I'd figure something out myself in the trainer, but unfortunately that would only cost me more time that I don't really have.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29449#msg29449
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 08:05:43 pm »
at least, dropp the time pillars

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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29450#msg29450
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 08:11:06 pm »
at least, dropp the time pillars
And put back the two quantum pillars I dropped for them, or put something else in there?
I have to say though, that the speed of my deck did increase when I made this swap, although it might just have been an illusion, with my usually unlucky draws.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29451#msg29451
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 08:12:17 pm »
at least, dropp the time pillars
And put back the two quantum pillars I dropped for them, or put something else in there?
I have to say though, that the speed of my deck did increase when I made this swap, although it might just have been an illusion, with my usually unlucky draws.
Id say, for quantums, yes... how often do you even get them early?

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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29452#msg29452
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 08:15:24 pm »
at least, dropp the time pillars
And put back the two quantum pillars I dropped for them, or put something else in there?
I have to say though, that the speed of my deck did increase when I made this swap, although it might just have been an illusion, with my usually unlucky draws.
Id say, for quantums, yes... how often do you even get them early?
I'd say early enough about 25% of the time, but they're only really useless late in the game. Up untill halfway, the amount of time quanta I get is well needed, and in my experience, that one factory I played made all the difference.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29454#msg29454
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 08:16:42 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

This i like :D

Scaredgirl shure can make decks :D

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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29457#msg29457
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 08:20:33 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1615.0.html

This i like :D

Scaredgirl shure can make decks :D
Yes, that was one of the better working decks I've used. I ended up modifying that one and another idea I saw on here. That one has upgraded hour glasses though, and I'm pretty sure that if I had mine upgraded too, that I'd eliminate the need for factories. Those will be my primary upgrade targets.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29459#msg29459
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 08:24:42 pm »
Yes, it helps a whole lot... i have 1 of 3 upped, i feel the difference :P

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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29462#msg29462
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 08:27:02 pm »
I hope to get both of mine upgraded soon enough, when this deck has been optimized. I'm not even sure how well this would work upgraded, but it seems to work farily well like this.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29472#msg29472
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 09:09:47 pm »
I only play this game casually, a few games every day, and after trying a few unupgraded rainbow deck versions, I finally managed to get my oty upgraded.
I seem to have terrible luck against fake gods with all of those version, even when I pick my fights, and barely ever win cards from spins.
So now, I want to make a rainbow that is solid against half bloods, but would also have a decent shot against the fake gods. If I'm going to have crappy luck on spins, then at least I want to get a few spins each day from those limited number of games I play.
I'm in pretty much the same boat right now, and I think it's best to stick with Half-Bloods at the start.  I wasn't winning much against the FGs, but I very rarely lose against Half Bloods (and almost always get EM), so that's 80 electrum per game + what I get from cards on spins (and I've gotten a few upgraded cards from Half Bloods).  If I play for an hour a day, I can upgrade a card about every 1-2 days.

First of all, upgrade your Fallen Elf ASAP.  The advantages of Improved Mutation are huge.  After that I agree that upping the Hourglasses would be a good idea.

I think decks have to be tailored to how you plan to play the game, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  Personally, I would drop out the Lava Golem, Mind Flayer, and Aflatoxin.  You can easily mutate something better than the Lava Golem (especially after upping the Elf).  The Otyugh should be eating anything your opponent puts out, so the Mind Flayer shouldn't have anything to lobotomize.  If your Oty can't eat it or there are too many, just use Eternity on it and eat it next turn.  I'm assuming the Aflatoxin was to work with the Elf and Empathic Bonds?  The boneyard, Firefly Queen, and rain of fire on enemy creatures should give you more than enough fodder.  If you get rid of the extra creatures, you could also drop Anubis and add another Quintessence instead (3 Quints, 3 Creatures).  That could ease your time problem.  If you do that, I would switch the Time Factories back out for Quantum Towers.

Regardless of creatures, I'd add in a few Dimensional Shields.  You may have an Aether Quantum crunch at the beginning (between Quints and the Shields), but they are life savers.

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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29478#msg29478
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 09:40:08 pm »
Personally, I would drop out the Lava Golem, Mind Flayer, and Aflatoxin.  You can easily mutate something better than the Lava Golem (especially after upping the Elf).  The Otyugh should be eating anything your opponent puts out, so the Mind Flayer shouldn't have anything to lobotomize.  If your Oty can't eat it or there are too many, just use Eternity on it and eat it next turn.  I'm assuming the Aflatoxin was to work with the Elf and Empathic Bonds?  The boneyard, Firefly Queen, and rain of fire on enemy creatures should give you more than enough fodder.  If you get rid of the extra creatures, you could also drop Anubis and add another Quintessence instead (3 Quints, 3 Creatures).  That could ease your time problem.  If you do that, I would switch the Time Factories back out for Quantum Towers.

Regardless of creatures, I'd add in a few Dimensional Shields.  You may have an Aether Quantum crunch at the beginning (between Quints and the Shields), but they are life savers.
So basically, the deck would end up looking like the deck that follows.
This looks very similar to the rainbows I've been using before this version. With my luck at drawing, I get the creatures late often, and there's only three creatures, all being a key part of victory. I haven't had much luck with that, unfortunately. That's why I tried to add something different.
Maybe I'll keep my version and swap out one of the creatures (lava golem, I suppose) for a shield, and put back the quantum pillars. At least I'd have a bit of extra defense, but I really like the extra security in my deck. So what about that second deck below then?
Maybe I could switch that flayer for an extra rain of fire though, I'd still have that toxin in it then as well as anubis.
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Re: Request for advice on my rainbow deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=3402.msg29833#msg29833
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 10:46:53 pm »
So basically, the deck would end up looking like the deck that follows.
This looks very similar to the rainbows I've been using before this version. With my luck at drawing, I get the creatures late often, and there's only three creatures, all being a key part of victory. I haven't had much luck with that, unfortunately. That's why I tried to add something different.
Maybe I'll keep my version and swap out one of the creatures (lava golem, I suppose) for a shield, and put back the quantum pillars. At least I'd have a bit of extra defense, but I really like the extra security in my deck. So what about that second deck below then?
Maybe I could switch that flayer for an extra rain of fire though, I'd still have that toxin in it then as well as anubis.
I would definitely do whatever you feel is best to fit your own style.  Like I said, I'm not that much farther along than you, so I can tell you what's worked for me, but I wouldn't want you to make drastic changes based on it.

This is my current deck, which looks like what you're trying to move away from:


Normally I use the Sundials and Dimensional Shields to stall until I can draw most of my cards.  If I'm going to Fire Storm a large group, I throw up the Bonewall.  The Dissipation Shield is nice in the end game because I usually have quite a bit of Entropy Quantum built up (the deck only uses 5).

I know there are only three creatures and they are essential, but they have their uses individually (just never play them without a Quint).  Oty can eat things, obviously.  FFQ works well with the Bonds.  The Druid makes a surprisingly good defense if Eternity is out.  Just mutate the enemy creature, and then immediately use Eternity to rewind it back to their deck.  The creature will lose any bonuses from the mutation, it will replace their draw on the next turn, and if they don't have a lot of some Quantum, they may not even be able to play it again at all, so it just takes up room in their hand.   

I understand why you're doing what you are, though.  Fire Quantum doesn't get a lot of use, so you have plenty to spend on the Fire Golem.  And if I had an Elite Anubis I would probably use it, but I'm just not rich enough for that.  :'(

Anyway, good luck with it!

 

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