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Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« on: March 22, 2011, 04:03:23 pm »
As you can see from the thread title, this is a CCYB variant.  It's actually my attempt at making it unupgraded.  It's only one once, because I kept anti-mattering Akebono's chimera, so it clearly needs work, but it does play similarly to CCYB, so I have hope that a better deck builder than me can fix it.
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Question marks are (in order) 1 mitosis, six sanctuary.

I'm thinking fire spirits were a bad call.  I might switch back to devourers, and take out the fractal win condition all together.  I chose them because they were cheaper, and without S. nova, they might be better.  I figured mitosis gives you more bang for it's buck as a 1-card fractal.  (5 life quanta to get potentially 22 copies of the creature, as opposed to all your aether for just 8.)  The synergy between sundial and sanctuary was too good to pass up.

The main problem with the deck is late game.  Early game, using sundials, you can pretty consistently get out shields and heals.  (Which isn't to say it's as good as CCYB, but it's unupped, stop whining).  Mid game it actually starts dealing damage as it's supposed to.  However, there's just no way to win the damage race.  The less effective shields and heals really kill you, especially since you can't get them to hit the field as soon as you'd like.  Having more pillars also means drawing more late game, and although sundials do their best to supply card advantage, the deck simply has less options at any given time than CCYB.

I'm hopin' you guys see a way to fix it.

Testing with lava golems next, we'll see how this goes.

EDIT:  Failed miserably.  I'm thinkin' graviton fire eaters are actually the best call, but that means bye-bye pulvie.  At least it's rareless now =/

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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 04:45:57 pm »
i run a few tests, and i have to say im surprised how good this is working.
yep, of corse this wont get near a fully upped deck, as you stated.

just some thoughts i consider worth testing with this deck:

dmg:
- lava golems:
grow will increase the survival rate of your dmg dealers... but mybe hard to get enough quanta
- graboids:
i know you dont like them :P, but why not (could also help vs. miracle if mass unburrow)

stall:
- mind flyer:
i just like them, lobo will give you a easyer life vs lots of fg's (monumentum, creature spam abilitys ...)

ill keep thinking about this one ;)

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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 05:10:46 pm »
lycans instead of antimatter <-- that looks like your best option solely for damage..

add some luciferin/hope if you need extra defense <-- is that too risky?

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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 05:13:19 pm »
i run a few tests, and i have to say im surprised how good this is working.
yep, of corse this wont get near a fully upped deck, as you stated.

just some thoughts i consider worth testing with this deck:

dmg:
- lava golems:
grow will increase the survival rate of your dmg dealers... but mybe hard to get enough quanta
- graboids:
i know you dont like them :P, but why not (could also help vs. miracle if mass unburrow)

stall:
- mind flyer:
i just like them, lobo will give you a easyer life vs lots of fg's (monumentum, creature spam abilitys ...)

ill keep thinking about this one ;)
Mind flayers are definitely a great pick.  Early in the game, you can quint all your damage, but late game, with mitosis, you can't, so lobotomizing their potential CC is always useful.  I have found that graviton fire-eater is the best source of damage though.  It's cheap, for 2 gravity (which isn't used), and it's durable enough that you can safely play one without quinting it.

Just beat Dark Matter again, I think Dark Matter might be the easiest false god for this deck.
lycans instead of antimatter <-- that looks like your best option solely for damage..

add some luciferin/hope if you need extra defense <-- is that too risky?
You absolutely need antimatter.  While the name of it says "CC?  Why bother?", antimatter is actually the best source of CC in the game.  Especially with less healing than the traditional deck, antimatter can win the game for you.  (Plus, it's funny as hell to use antimatter on akebono).

I'm not sure about luci+hope, all of the creatures in the deck have abilities, and I already have three shields, but having a high powered hope would add more damage prevention, which would probably help.  I'll consider it.


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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2011, 07:58:54 pm »
Graviton Fire Eater minus Pulvie seems to me to scream Butterfly Effect, but then you might need to find more :entropy quanta somewhere.

Really, the problem for this deck seems to be the concentrated quanta usage (it borders on being an :entropy / :water / :light trio) -- leaving almost half of the elements unused dramatically reduces the awesomeness of Quantum Pillars.

So, I'd ask yourself if you can go about solving your existing problems using :earth , :air , :fire , :death  or :darkness cards, and expand into that.
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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2011, 08:47:51 pm »
 :gravity is used pretty extensively if you put mitosis on a fire eater, and :fire is used to grow the fire eaters. So :fire is actually in pretty high demand, at least when the deck goes off.

 :earth :air :death and :darkness are not used at all. From :darkness Steal could provide permanent control. It goes against the name but owl's eye would use :air and might help this deck. For using :death and :earth I'm fairly clueless.

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Re: Creature Control? Don't Bother! (Semi-Permalink)
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 10:13:17 pm »
Well, a lot of CCYB decks use aflatoxin, although I never have.

The problem is there isn't enough damage prevention/stall power.  Stoneskin?  Maybe CC is the way to go... plagues?  Steal would probably be useful.

 

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