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Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189663#msg1189663
« on: May 15, 2015, 12:06:16 am »
I'm trying to make a dragon deck that uses almost all of the dragons because it's cool. The idea is to use Supernovas to generate every color in bulk, then drop it on (almost) all the dragons in the game.

Here's what I have so far in the trainer since I'm not rich enough for the real version, and likely won't be for a while. That means I haven't been able to test it in the arena, which is a shame because I feel like arena is a good speed benchmark.

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I'm trying to figure out how to make it more consistent. It's decently fast since once the dragons come out things melt, but it runs into issues with shields and tower flooding. Steal and Chimera would make it harder to pull Bone Dragons and Colossal Dragons respectively, but with more stall it might be doable. Then again if I make it faster somehow I might be able to get in before the troublesome ones drop.

I don't use Golden or Phase dragons because they're more expensive.
There's some wiggle room if I want to splash light cards. Sanctuary might be a good idea to protect from black holes and buy some time, but 6 is definitely too many and I'm not sure what ratio to go for.
The spare aether quantum went into dim shields to buy some time. It might be better to put that into Parallels or Quintessences though if I go full aggro.
I'm not sure what to use the light quantum on(or if it would be better not to).

Any help would be appreciated since this is my first deck.

EDIT: After some tinkering, I found out that sundials do EXACTLY what the deck needs. They stall just a bit, use my spare light quanta, and accelerate. I was able to get rid of the dim shields that were hogging my hand.

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With the extra time and draw, I might be able to wiggle in some utility cards. I need to get a handle on the tempo to see how many Towers I can drop while still keeping things fast.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189678#msg1189678
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2015, 04:16:35 am »
An explosion or two would be grand for dealing with shields that could potentially cost you 50% of your damage, lookin' at you gravity shield

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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189679#msg1189679
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2015, 04:33:54 am »
An explosion or two would be grand for dealing with shields that could potentially cost you 50% of your damage, lookin' at you gravity shield

Agreed. Consider Chimera as well, in place of Colossal Dragon.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189680#msg1189680
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2015, 04:36:37 am »
Sky Blitz in place of Azure Dragon would also be useful, as you get a huge boost in attack

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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189703#msg1189703
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2015, 10:16:49 am »
An explosion and steal seem to work well replacing two towers. There's not much need for more than two given all the dial draw.

Sky Blitz doesn't seem to work well since the deck has trouble getting a one turn KO. I'd need sky blitz and about 5 dragons to pull it off, with chimera to guarantee shield breaks. Losing two dragons drops consistency a fair amount.
Chimera has a problem in that it doesn't boost damage at all. Dragons are squishy so they can't really survive a turn with gravity pull either, meaning you're OHKO dependent.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189704#msg1189704
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2015, 10:36:03 am »
Use the  :air quanta for Sky Blitz,  :time for Hourglasses,  :gravity for Chimera and you will have a more solid deck. If you are playing against a deck you expect to have considerable CC or heavy healing, you can try going for a OTK.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189708#msg1189708
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2015, 01:56:13 pm »
An explosion and steal seem to work well replacing two towers. There's not much need for more than two given all the dial draw.

Sky Blitz doesn't seem to work well since the deck has trouble getting a one turn KO. I'd need sky blitz and about 5 dragons to pull it off, with chimera to guarantee shield breaks. Losing two dragons drops consistency a fair amount.
Chimera has a problem in that it doesn't boost damage at all. Dragons are squishy so they can't really survive a turn with gravity pull either, meaning you're OHKO dependent.
Thing about sky blitz, if you get 5 dragons out at once, then use it, OTK!  And chimera isn't there for damage, its there to by pass shields, not to act as one. If you are using it, you plan to kill
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189716#msg1189716
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2015, 04:12:02 pm »
Thing about sky blitz, if you get 5 dragons out at once, then use it, OTK!  And chimera isn't there for damage, its there to by pass shields, not to act as one. If you are using it, you plan to kill
The deck isn't able to stall hard enough to go for a OTK, it's been working a lot better just getting as many dragons as it can out the second you run out of dials. If I were going full stall I'd probably do something along the lines of
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More than 2 hourglasses runs into cost issues. I can only have a max of 6 supernovas and dead cards in hand prevent me from being able to use the hourglasses to stall. The irony is that hourglasses are the dead cards.
There's a similar issue with dim/phase shields in that they're expensive and can lead to dead cards. You can afford another since they help stall and get more novas in.
The dials help alleviate problems with both cards by being free(or close) and serving both purposes for added consistency.
Sanctuaries help with stall a bit and keeps your quantum safe from black holes and devourers.


I don't think this will end up with a higher win rate than the dragon dial deck. Wish I could test it, but it's expensive and I've been playing for less than a week.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189729#msg1189729
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2015, 07:20:41 pm »
11 turns of stall power is plenty of time to pull off a OTK, even unupped. And its not like you would have to do it every time. You could just do 40-60 of burst damage which would cripple them.

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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189734#msg1189734
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2015, 08:20:58 pm »
11 turns of stall power is plenty of time to pull off a OTK, even unupped. And its not like you would have to do it every time. You could just do 40-60 of burst damage which would cripple them.
I meant the dial deck didn't have enough stall for a OTK, sorry for my poor wording.

It boils down to speed vs stall, I don't know which is more important.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189764#msg1189764
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2015, 12:33:31 am »
11 turns of stall power is plenty of time to pull off a OTK, even unupped. And its not like you would have to do it every time. You could just do 40-60 of burst damage which would cripple them.
I meant the dial deck didn't have enough stall for a OTK, sorry for my poor wording.

It boils down to speed vs stall, I don't know which is more important.
Even in a dial deck, 6 turns is enough to stall for a OTK. At least with hourglasses it is. Whole reason instosis worked. And that was a 7 card combo.
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Re: Here There Be Dragons https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58380.msg1189768#msg1189768
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2015, 01:02:46 am »
Use 4 hourglasses instead of 2  ;)
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