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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg453974#msg453974
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2012, 05:43:59 pm »
I took that into account as well.

Momentum, Airborne, direct spells, Ranged and PC where all taken into account.

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg453978#msg453978
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 05:48:07 pm »
Also, you don't have enough damage to be able to deal 200 damage to FG's before they kill you.

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg453980#msg453980
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 05:51:18 pm »
How about now its been edited?

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg453981#msg453981
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 05:51:39 pm »
Thanks for catching that. I was rushing a bit.
Refutation/additional comments/Gods I skipped:
Serket- While that's true, you're relying on Serket getting a bad draw and not getting out poison faster than wings.
Destiny- While it is all up to luck, I don't expect mutants to be stopped for long by wings.
Lionheart- I concede here.
Seism- Seism will still outrush Light-air as earthquakes stop your capacity to play wings.
Decay- My previous statement stands. Decay's 12 siphon life's will kill all your creatures and allow for either a win by deckout or a win by spell damage.
Scorpio- wings will stop his creatures, yes. However, his control will stop the pegasi and his poison will carry the day.


In short, relying on wings will effectively help with Serket, Destiny, and Lionheart, and even those will be hard fought as you try to avoid deckout. Light-Air as it is presented simply does not provide a viable FG-killer.
Edit: I will re-edit this post once I've gone over your edits.

Edit 2: Okay... First: It's not about the percentage of cards that can get past wings. It doesn't work like that, and you've disregarded combinations of cards anyways. It's about whether or not it needs to get past wings, and then if it can get past wings.

As Baily rightly says, you can't get past 200 HP. And right now, the FG either shuts you down, or smashes through you.

It stands that you only have a real chance against Serket, Destiny, and Lionheart. Of those, I'd expect Destiny and Lionheart to be able to deck you out/get rid of your pegasi, and Serket all depends on the luck of the draw.
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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg453982#msg453982
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 05:53:37 pm »
Light-Air as it is presented simply does not provide a viable FG-killer.
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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454073#msg454073
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2012, 09:23:47 pm »
I think the only place I'd use wings against FGs is probably serket, heck, his counter deck is wings, since he has nothing to get past it.

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454113#msg454113
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:54:41 pm »
Through, doesn't Wings help a LOT for stalling?
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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454114#msg454114
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 10:57:12 pm »
... And if it isn't against a FG deck?

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454768#msg454768
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2012, 02:03:24 pm »
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As you're suspecting, you need a different strategy if you plan on outlasting FG's. Now, Firefly Queen decks used to be all the rage a long time ago, and they did kick FG ass back then. Nowadays, they're much too slow, but there's a similar strategy that kind of works. Be warned it still doesn't win a lot, but we can at least discuss the principles behind it.

So what do you need to survive FG's? Looking at the common FG killers, they're usually stuffed with CC or shields while still wanting to retain some speed since it is, after all, farming. So let's look at what shields we have in Light/Air. Wings certainly seems nice.. it lasts 5 whole turns and can protect you from a lot, but there are lot of airborne creatures out there too, so without Web from Death or Aether, we're not getting far. Now, you might think to go Aether/Air and Quint Spiders for Web, but there are still a lot of ways to bypass Wings, and the main problem is this: you will always take damage the first couple turns, you will always take damage when a new airborne creature is played, and you will always take damage when Wings is destroyed or not up yet.

So we need to reduce damage permanently.. there's only one shield in the entire game that can stop that much damage, and luckily it's in Light. What's even better is that Fireflies fuel it. That's right: Hope.
Of course, we can't possibly summon enough Fireflies without FFQ's or other aid, so let's turn this baby into a trio.

Here we have arrived at a basic build of Firefly/Hope:
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And so we arrive at the second big problem this deck has (first is slowness): since it uses Fireflies rather than Rays like RoL/Hope, it's doing a lot of damage when just keeping the shield high. Therefore, it can't burst past Miracle-using FG's. DG is an exception because she only has 8-attack creatures, so you can actually add Light Dragons for Fractalling in her case.

Regardless, I hope this gave some insight into what's actually needed to tackle FG's. You need a very, very solid defence in most cases. In the case of Aether+Hope decks, you also need at least 2 Lobos.
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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454829#msg454829
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2012, 04:37:41 pm »
Well again, thank you very much for your reply. It is certainly and interesting deck that you have suggested for me try (and being the master of Aether, not that surprising you suggested it). Once I have gained enough money, again I think I will try it out just as the previous one. Through I think this one will be taking priority

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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454853#msg454853
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2012, 05:02:21 pm »
If you like the Bioluminisence + Hope strategy against FGs, you can always go for a RoL + Hope deck (even with only 6 upped). There are several variations in the threads furballnd just mentioned.
I remember seeing a FFQ hope anti-FG somewhere...
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Re: Light-Air Against FG https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36074.msg454875#msg454875
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2012, 05:45:42 pm »
If you like the Bioluminisence + Hope strategy against FGs, you can always go for a RoL + Hope deck (even with only 6 upped). There are several variations in the threads furballnd just mentioned.
I remember seeing a FFQ hope anti-FG somewhere...
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