Question about QI and quanta-generating creatures

[SteppingStone81]

How does one account for the following in figuring out the optimum number of pillars / pendula:

Quanta-generating creaturesRecurring ability costs

e.g., in this simple light-air duo:

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5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lh 5lh 5og 5og 5oi 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu

Light quanta usage:

(6 Pegasus) * (4 ) +
(6 Blessing) * (3 ) +
(2 Morning Glory) * (5 )
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52

Light quanta generation:

(12 Air pendulum) * (0.5 )
(6 Firefly) * (1 ) * ???          <--- what to do here?
(1 Light Mark) * (1 )
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???


Air Quanta usage:

(6 Firefly) * (3 )
(2 Fog Shield) * (2 )
(1 Flying Weapon) * (1 )
(6 Pegasus) * (1 :Air per turn) * ???      <--- what to do here?
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???

Air quanta generation:

(12 Air pendulum) * (0.5 )
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6

[zse]

I'm no expert on this, but I'll give my 2 electrums on the subject anyway.

I use 2x modifier for single activation cost, here: Pegasus 6*1*2=12 .
In this case I'd count FFs with 1x modifier in quanta generation: 6*1*1=6 .

Quanta Usage: 52 & 35
Quanta Generation: 0,5*12+6+1= 13 & 0,5*12=6
Quanta Index: 52/13=4 & 35/6=5,83

I'd start testing with changing to 8 Pendulum and 3 Pillar
QG: 0,5*8+6+1=11 & 0,5*8+3=7
QI: 52/11=4,73 & 35/7=5


PS. I'd use Owl's Eye instead of Morning Star, because it can kill Otyugh & Maxwell.

[SteppingStone81]

I use 2x modifier for single activation cost, here: Pegasus 6*1*2=12 .

Here, one would want to activate this for the pegasus every turn if possible.  Might one use a different factor for abilities such as Arctic Squid's freeze?  (and obviously Armagio's gpull would just be 1x)

In this case I'd count FFs with 1x modifier in quanta generation: 6*1*1=6 .

My concern with doing this is that the fireflies may not be immediately playable AND are a little more likely to die than pillars / pendula.

PS. I'd use Owl's Eye instead of Morning Star, because it can kill Otyugh & Maxwell.

This makes sense, although now I'll have to redo the calculations -2 morning stars +2 owl's eye   I was mostly posing this deck as a theoretical for how to calculate QI in different situations.

Thanks for the response!

[Ryli]

I don't like using this method of working out the amount of pillars for this reason. Just go for a rough guess, test the deck and slightly modify it in the direction it needs to go. You'll eventually find a good ratio.

[zse]

I don't like using this method of working out the amount of pillars for this reason. Just go for a rough guess, test the deck and slightly modify it in the direction it needs to go. You'll eventually find a good ratio.

Using QI don't give you the final answer how many Pillars & Pendulums you should use. What it does give you is merely educated guess where you can start testing the deck. In my books educated guess > rough guess.

[Ryli]

I don't like using this method of working out the amount of pillars for this reason. Just go for a rough guess, test the deck and slightly modify it in the direction it needs to go. You'll eventually find a good ratio.

Using QI don't give you the final answer how many Pillars & Pendulums you should use. What it does give you is merely educated guess where you can start testing the deck. In my books educated guess > rough guess.

haha, I've built so many decks that my rough guess is usually about as accurate as an estimated one.

[SteppingStone81]

I don't like using this method of working out the amount of pillars for this reason. Just go for a rough guess, test the deck and slightly modify it in the direction it needs to go. You'll eventually find a good ratio.

one problem with testing to get the initial guess is that one needs a very large sample size to gauge the frequency of different draw types.  this is very easy to do for decks with only 3 cards, e.g. graboid shrieker rush, but a bit more difficult with more degrees of complexity.

i am more in line with zse that an educated guess might help one optimize a deck faster than a rough guess.  maybe in time, i will get more skilled at rough guessing, though