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balcerman

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Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137347#msg137347
« on: August 13, 2010, 08:35:07 am »
Hello,

I'm thinking about creating a good pure light deck and I wanted to ask you what you are thinking and for your ideas on how to improve it.



What are my main assumptions?

So... the assumption I don't want to change is:

  • Only light cards in deck, eventually free cards (without cost of any resources)
The assumptions I might change are:

  • Small deck, possibly 30 cards, to make it more predictible
  • Half of cards are light pillars and light towers since I need a lot of resources


How does my deck look like now?

Resources:
14 light pillars
1 light tower (upgraded)
1 luciferin (to get even more resources since I need a lot of them)

Defence:
1 miracle
3 holy lights
2 guardian angels (I consider them as defensive cause they have only 1 attack and great healing)
1 mirror shield (upgraded)

Attack:
6 golden dragons
1 morning glory (upgraded)

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What pros and cons do I see?

Pros:
  • If I'll get 5-7 resource cards in the beginning and then 3-4 golden dragons, I win almost always, and there is a great chance for mastery on lvl 3
  • This is a killer deck against darkness, death or another light
  • Golden dragons attack and defence are very good - they can stand up to 3 firebolts, they can survive a lightning, and they can be poisoned for a long time.
  • Shield and sword cannot be destroyed or stolen
  • Atack power is nice and defense makes it hard to destroy with physical attacks or poisoning (especially with 1-2 angels which heals themselves and others)
  • Golden dragons have no skills, and if I use luciferin, they all generate even more resources for next dragons.

Cons:
  • Golden dragons and miracle need a lot of resources :(
  • If I won't get at least 3 resource cards in the first turns, it gets harder. With 2 or less resource cards it gets really hard. Still I can win but the chance of loss increases rapidly, especially if I encounter a resource cards destroyer or resource stealers.
  • If an enemy is gravity and it will use gravity shield, I'm mostly doomed, since golden dragons are totally eliminated by this shield. The only hope lays in my morning glory and in stupidness of AI which sometimes attack my dragons and makes their hp 5 or less (they can bypass the gravity shield with 5 hp or less). Still this shield is mostly an invincible wall for this deck.


What do I think about next upgrades?

  • I want to upgrade holy light cards because I will be able to use them without any resources. This together with a miracle will give me a great chance for a mastery
  • I think about not upgrading the golden dragons since they already cost 12 light resources and thats a lot, and after the upgrade they will cost 13.


My questions:

  • What upgrades and changes should I make first to get more mastery wins and cash (getting cash is now more important to me than winning gods or pvp duels since I need a lot of upgrades)?
  • What can I do to get more pros and less cons?
  • What do you think about the "small deck" and "half deck of resources" assumption?
  • What upgrades could I make to be better at fighting gods?

twinsbuster

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137355#msg137355
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 08:45:10 am »
Your Goal will be Glory Deck:
5 Morning Glory
4 Animate Weapon
5 SoD
3 Miracle
13 Tower

And you should upgrade the pillar first. If you want to fight gods, just upgrade the photons. I'm sure you'll regret if you upgrade holylight.

smuglapse

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137358#msg137358
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2010, 08:50:55 am »
Also...

balcerman

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137420#msg137420
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 11:12:17 am »
Your Goal will be Glory Deck:
5 Morning Glory
4 Animate Weapon
5 SoD
3 Miracle
13 Tower

And you should upgrade the pillar first. If you want to fight gods, just upgrade the photons. I'm sure you'll regret if you upgrade holylight.

Thank you for your deck model :)
I have some doubts though.

I don't really get it how the animated weapons work... Ingame cards description is very poor.. I'm not sure if animated weapon behaves like weapon or like a creature? I.e. if my morning glory is unbreakable and cannot be stolen, will animated morning glory still will be unbreakable and won't be stolen? Can it be frozen, put into a time bubble, poisoned etc. (when it's in weapon slot, it can't)? I also noticed that my morning glory is able to break the gravity shield. Will it still be able to do that while it's animated?

And why upgraded photons are so good against gods? Only 1/1 each... Won't they kill me before I'll make 200 damage (or even more since gods heal to) with photons? If you mean using upgraded photons instead of light pillars then it sounds reasonable. But then I would wonder if pillars aren't more secure since they cannot be 'killed', only destroyed or stolen?

And last but not least, why would I regreat upgrading holy lights? :) To get the mastery I need to use a miracle and then upgraded holy light. It's because miracle costs all light resources I have and using it leaves me with 99 hp and 0 resources. If I'd have a free healing, I'd master the fight. I think about upgrading holy light to get more money from mastering the fight, not to get better in pvp fights or gods fights. Is that a good thinking from the economic point of view or I made a mistake again? :)

SoD = Shard of Divinity? Sorry, I'm still a newbie  ::)

kobisjeruk

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137437#msg137437
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 11:58:46 am »
Flying Morning Star is a 7|7 creature and it has 'immaterial' (cannot be targeted)
Flying Morning Glory is a 8|4 creature and it also has 'immaterial'

Divine Glory which is a false god based on the untouchable flying weapon theme who uses :light and :fire
:light for the aforementioned Morning Glory, Miracle and Mirror Shield (also immaterial) and :fire for Explosion
it is one of the most difficult FG to handle

flying weapons will be affected by shield effect unless they have momentum. only one flying weapon - titan has innate momentum

smuglapse

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137446#msg137446
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2010, 12:13:54 pm »
I don't really get it how the animated weapons work... Ingame cards description is very poor.. I'm not sure if animated weapon behaves like weapon or like a creature? I.e. if my morning glory is unbreakable and cannot be stolen, will animated morning glory still will be unbreakable and won't be stolen? Can it be frozen, put into a time bubble, poisoned etc. (when it's in weapon slot, it can't)? I also noticed that my morning glory is able to break the gravity shield. Will it still be able to do that while it's animated?
Animate/Flying Weapon moves your weapon to the creature slot and then it acts as a creature.
Morningstar and Morning Glory have an inherent ability of immaterial, so when you "fly" it it will remain untargetable by spells and other abilities.  But, because it is now a creature it will become susceptible to certain shields--Ice/Permafrost (freeze), Procrastination/Turtle (delay), Fire (damage), Thorne/Spine (poisoning).
When flown a Morningstar is 7/7 and a Morning Glory is 8/4, so only the unupped is blocked by Gravity Shield.

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And why upgraded photons are so good against gods? Only 1/1 each... Won't they kill me before I'll make 200 damage (or even more since gods heal to) with photons? If you mean using upgraded photons instead of light pillars then it sounds reasonable. But then I would wonder if pillars aren't more secure since they cannot be 'killed', only destroyed or stolen?
Yes they are very susceptible to damage, but if you use the Hope Shield they are very nice.  You generally want to combine them with Fractal (Aether) to create a whole bunch of them.  Otherwise, a split between Towers and Pendulums would be good.  Pendulum is a new pillar-like permanent.

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And last but not least, why would I regreat upgrading holy lights? :) To get the mastery I need to use a miracle and then upgraded holy light. It's because miracle costs all light resources I have and using it leaves me with 99 hp and 0 resources. If I'd have a free healing, I'd master the fight. I think about upgrading holy light to get more money from mastering the fight, not to get better in pvp fights or gods fights. Is that a good thinking from the economic point of view or I made a mistake again? :)
It is good in that sense, and if you insist on using a mono-light then it is definitely an option to upgrade.  I assume what twinsbuster is referring to is that it is not a very powerful card to begin with and you are choosing to spend a lot of electrum on it.  Another factor to consider is the auto-mulligan feature.  What it does is if your first 7 cards do not contain a card with 0 cost (like a pillar/tower), you are automatically given another 7 cards.  So if you have a no cost Holy Flash it may jeopardize your chance at getting the auto-mulligan if you don't have a pillar/tower in your initial hand.

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SoD = Shard of Divinity? Sorry, I'm still a newbie  ::)
I would highly suggest reading over the forum, especially the newbie guides, as well as the Wiki.  There is a link to Wiki in the menu at the top of the screen.

twinsbuster

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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137603#msg137603
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 04:35:07 pm »
thanks for smuglapse's detail explaination
you are so enthusiastic in helping others

Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg137729#msg137729
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 07:20:06 pm »
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Re: Pure light deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11184.msg138441#msg138441
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 12:48:37 pm »
I'd say a Mirror Shield would be more useful, and replace a Holy Light with Miracle, but otherwise it looks like a pretty good Dive deck.

 

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