Nymphomania with the Nymphs

[Arondight]

So, I recently got two Nymph Queens. I have no real experience with using them and I'm also perturbed at how they can possibly be more useful than the standard Nymph Tear.

I think to myself that they won't consume a Tower or Pillar, but lack the quick versatility of Nymph Tear. Thus, it seems evened out.

So, my question is, would it be good to use these for a Nymphomania deck in combination with Nymph Tears? Or how should I go about it for optimum effectiveness? Any feedback from personal experience would be nice. I've only tried the Purple and Black Nymph combo with my actual Nymphs, and it wasn't that fun because I would be screwed against opponents like Divine Glory when I could of changed it's Light Towers into Nymphs with Queen Nymph.

[Kakugane]

- I saw this a few hours ago, then realized what it must be about later.

The Nymph Queen is the only one you can buy. All the others can only be made form applying Nymph Tear (or the Nymph Queen's ability) to a pillar. Your idea for a Nymph deck is interesting, as a person who need to have water mark to do it. However, all Nymphs need quanta to use their abilities. Therefore, you would not be able to "Rainbow Nymph" and have all the pillar type to convert into Nymphs. Furthermore, every Nymph uses only the quanta from its element for its ability. So there is no crossover --> (Have Pillars A & B, convert Pillar A to Nymph A that uses quanta B)

Firewall would also kill your chances, as Nymph queen is 1AT 1HP. You would need something like Plate Armor to give her a chance. or you would need Deflagration or Steal to use against the Firewall, or Quintessence, or Blessing for the Nymph itself. Remember though, Quintessence does not protect against Firewall or Carapace Shield (poison)


Notation  Name attack|hitpoints : (quanta cost) skill name - skill effects

Nymph Queen 1|1: (4) Nymph's Tears - turn one of your pillars into a Nymph


The best Nymph's for your strategy

White Nymph 8|8: Luciferene - grant biolum to all creatures w/o ability (passive skill but must be activated)
-- Why? 8|8 is an amazing combo, and Liciferene is free. This is the strong Nymph and the one with the most HP!
    You can then generate light quanta with Blue Crawler, or Photons. Photons have no quanta cost to play.

Turquoise Nymph 7|2: (3) Immortality - untargetable
-- Why? Water+Aether is good combo deck. Use tears or Water Nymph to turn extra Aether Pillar into a Nymph
    Also, Quint-ing your Water Nymph keeps here alive, and Quint is an Aether card. So there is a reason to have
    Aether pillars in the first place.

Purple Nymph 3|1: (4) Antimatter - invert (negate) the attack of any creature
-- Why? Create "reverse" Vampires. The enemy heals you!
    Also, if you have Noe in your deck, you may have extra Entropy quanta to use for casting Antimatter

Amber Nymph 1|3: (3) Black Hole - absorb 3 quant/element from enemy. Add 1Hp per quant absorbed.
-- Why? Could work well against Rainbow Decks (maybe FG's?) that utilize tons of Quantum Pillars.


So-so Nymphs to use

Golden Nymph 6|8: (2) Precognition - see opponents cards, draw one of your own.
-- Why? Boring. If you want more cards use Time Pillar with Hourglass. However, 6|8 is a good decent creature.

Grey Nymph 0|4: (3) Alfatoxin - Poison creature. If it does, become malignant cell (multiples after each turn)
-- Why? If you have a good (i.e. Enchanted) shield, then filling up their side with useless 1|1 cells is a great way to
    keep them from bringing out heavy hitters. Most shields block at least 1 damage, and Ice Shield can freeze
    enemies.  Down side is needing Enchant Artifact... last thing you want is no shield and 24+ damage coming in.
    Also. If they don't have a shield, using Alfatoxin on your side can help you. You can always FLOOD to clear space.

Green Nymph 3|6: (2) Adrenaline - multiple attacks per turn
-- Why? Adrenaline works wll for low attack creatures. But you'll need quite a few creatures. If you have that many
    out again this is a waste of card space just to cast adrenaline.

Red Nymph 1|6: (3) Rage - +5|-5 to target.
-- Why? How many creature can afford -5 to Hp, and it's a weak Nymph. I don't thin using it to take out enemy
    creatures is that plausible, you'll need more fire quanta. our best bet would be to have 2 immolation cards in your
    deck; sacrifice a water creature for Immo then Make a Red Nymph. Immolation has no quanta cost.

Useless Nymphs

Black Nymph 3|5: (3) Liquid Shadow - poison and gain Vampire
-- Why? if you use it on yourself, your creature eventually die, use it on enemy and they heal. Not worth the time.

Blue Nymph 3|2: (3) Unstable gas - create 1 unstable gas. (Unstable gas requires 1 fire quanta to set off, does 20 damage to opponent and 1 damage to each of opponents creatures)
-- Why? This will take forever, and you need fire quanta, plus another turn to set of the gas.

Auburn Nymph 0|3: (3) Petrify +0|+20 to target but target can attack or use skills for 5 turns
-- Why? What do you need petrify for? Not worth the time to bring this out.


Well that's all of them. By the way, since Nymph Queen costs 9 quanta to play (and 4 quanta for Nymph's tears), you probably don't want more than one in the deck, which means you'll want a small 30-35 card deck for this strategy. Just my thought on that part.

[Arondight]

First of all: wow, that's an unexpectedly lengthy post. Thanks for taking the time to reply.  There are a few inconsistencies, though.

The Nymph Queen is the only one you can buy.

I was surprised when I saw this, because I got mine from the Oracle. You can't buy any kinds of Nymphs outside the trainer.

Useless Nymphs

Black Nymph 3|5: (3) Liquid Shadow - poison and gain Vampire
-- Why? if you use it on yourself, your creature eventually die, use it on enemy and they heal. Not worth the time.

Blue Nymph 3|2: (3) Unstable gas - create 1 unstable gas. (Unstable gas requires 1 fire quanta to set off, does 20 damage to opponent and 1 damage to each of opponents creatures)
-- Why? This will take forever, and you need fire quanta, plus another turn to set of the gas.

Auburn Nymph 0|3: (3) Petrify +0|+20 to target but target can attack or use skills for 5 turns
-- Why? What do you need petrify for? Not worth the time to bring this out.

I wouldn't call these useless at all. Black Nymph is commonly used in conjunction with Purple Nymph to get a Lobotomizing-poisoning-damaging effect. Blue Nymph is the only card that generates permanents that can be used as bait for AI or to defeat your opponent or even mass creature control, it's by far one of my favorites that I really want. Auburn Nymph petrifies a creature for six turns and increases it's HP by 20! That means if you have one Auburn Nymph on the field with enough quanta, that Nymph can effectively stop six targetable creatures while setting up defense with a Gravity Shield if they don't have Momentum.

I appreciate the lengthy reply, though. I was just looking for responses about personal experience with using Nymph Tear/Nymph Queen decks from those who have actually play tested it in real time outside or inside the trainer.

Edit: also the Nymphs that aren't used much got a small cost reduction to 8 for balancing. Nymph Queen is one of them.

[kev]

Simply wow.  Amazes me on a bunch of levels that somebody typed that out.

Arondight, you're absolutely right that a water nymph is only dubiously better than a tear, as the nymph doesn't destroy a pillar but costs 2 more and lacks versatility.  I guess water nymph is better if you need a lot of water for permafrost/squids/tearing a lot of pillars.

Meh.  The only nymph deck anyone's posted with any kind of success that I'm aware of was the entropy/dark nymphomania deck you mentioned, and that was only good as a change of pace from your normal FG deck.  I've spent hours on a wind nymph deck with no success.

The problem with nymph decks is that they're built around nymphs, which are expensive and fragile and so you have to protect them with quints and deflags/steals for shields.  I think nymphs may be relatively useless collectors items, and I'd use the water nymph as the best example.

If you find something that works, though, be sure to let us know. 

Lol.  You totally ninja'd me.

[Lluis83]

Hello.


 I have two purple nimphs and one dark nimph, and I did a 30 cards deck, with some antimatters, vampire liquid and SoG's that won 15-25% against FG.I had a lot of amatist towers ,some dark towers, and with aether mark and 4 quintaessences. It's usual to have the purple nimph quinted on turn three, the problem with the deck was, that if you don't draw the dark nimph early, you will deck out. The deck without nimphs and supernovas, with water mark and nimph's tear is better. But if somebody is lucky and owns 3 purple nimphs and 2 dark nimphs, maybe the deck will be a lot more consistent and it will work.

[yaladilae]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5189.msg72410#msg72410

[Lluis83]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5189.msg72410#msg72410

Thanks for the link, I have all the cards upgraded , so I will give a try.

[Essence]

the nymph doesn't destroy a pillar

Have I missed something here?  Since when does Nymph Queen not consume a pillar when it's ability is used?

[kev]

the nymph doesn't destroy a pillar

Have I missed something here?  Since when does Nymph Queen not consume a pillar when it's ability is used?

Summoning the nymph doesn't destroy a pillar as a nymph's tear does.

Using it's ability does detroy a pillar.

[Essence]

Aahhh, kk.  My bad. 

[unionruler]

the problem with nymphomania with nymphs is that you still have to bank on the nymph queen or some nymph's tears unless you have quite a number of purple nymphs and one black nymph already. wondering if  mark and supernovas would be enough leverage but i'm thinking it would fare badly because of the lack of consistency. i'm very interested to follow developments on this topic though.