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Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1003976#msg1003976
« on: September 30, 2012, 12:26:32 pm »
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Well... I'm not really sure if it can be called a TTK...

The idea is to get a Shard Golem with Deja-Vu ability (needs three SoR). And then TU it 4 times --> Gives 5 Golems with 11 or 13 atk?
Then use ability the next turn (needs 20 :earth unless you wait a turn with TU and draw the 4th SoR next turn so you can reduce the ability cost to zero) which gives 10 Golems with more then 10 atk.

The Deja Vu is meant to be played if you got 4 SoR in hand but no SoI (which wouldn't lead to a deja vu ability anymore). Of course it can be easily replaced and it's not really necessary.
You can discard the SoR, play it on enemy creatures, or in case you have 5 TU copy a creature and play SoR on your own creature.

I know it's kinda complex and I don't force it to be a TTK. Any variation which can make this a mid-game starting rush deck is welcome as well :)
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004031#msg1004031
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 04:35:39 pm »
I dont even know what to say about this deck :O

seems really strange but awesome lol, but i really suck when it comes to SoI so not sure how can i help you with this one :S

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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004045#msg1004045
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 05:27:09 pm »
It is indeed an interesting deck. Is it really worth it to use all the SoR on the Deja Vu if you don't have an SoI? Is the easily-blocked small amount of damage really worth it? Why not have a third SoI?
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004075#msg1004075
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 06:23:19 pm »
It is indeed an interesting deck. Is it really worth it to use all the SoR on the Deja Vu if you don't have an SoI? Is the easily-blocked small amount of damage really worth it? Why not have a third SoI?

I think you misunderstood me :) You use 1 SoR on Deja Vu (or whatever there is) if you have 4 SoR in your hand because the problem is that the Shard Golem receives neurotoxin if SoI is used with 4 or 5 SoR. And thus it's necessary to get rid of that one SoR.
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004080#msg1004080
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 06:29:36 pm »
It is indeed an interesting deck. Is it really worth it to use all the SoR on the Deja Vu if you don't have an SoI? Is the easily-blocked small amount of damage really worth it? Why not have a third SoI?

I think you misunderstood me :) You use 1 SoR on Deja Vu (or whatever there is) if you have 4 SoR in your hand because the problem is that the Shard Golem receives neurotoxin if SoI is used with 4 or 5 SoR. And thus it's necessary to get rid of that one SoR.
Ohhh, now I understand. Thanks for clearing that up :)
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004099#msg1004099
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 08:00:14 pm »
I'm stupid... less TU can be used if no Sundial is active.

With two TU I can get 3 Golems with with at least 13 atk (needs 2 SoI + 3 SoR) --> 39 dmg.
Using Deja Vu ability with all golems next turn doubles the damage --> 78 + 39 = 117
Sadly, doesn't work with only one SoI because that Golem has 11 atk --> 33 + 66 = 99. That's why I'm considering a Lightning or another spell.
This would lead to a 7 Card Combo.

I tried a small varition:
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But I gave up on the stall idea, so I'm gonna in a more rushy direction. Like this:
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This has about 7~8 turns to win. If too many SoR are in your hand just use them on your Gemfinders. Be cautious when SoB are still in your hand. They can highly improve your Golem's atk and must be less than 3 the moment you play SoI.
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004107#msg1004107
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 08:25:03 pm »
But I gave up on the stall idea, so I'm gonna in a more rushy direction. Like this:
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This has about 7~8 turns to win. If too many SoR are in your hand just use them on your Gemfinders. Be cautious when SoB are still in your hand. They can highly improve your Golem's atk and must be less than 3 the moment you play SoI.
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004112#msg1004112
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2012, 08:52:10 pm »
Nova instead of QT?

Tried it.
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Sometimes quanta production is a bit off (too much :earth, tight on :aether). But since :aether is meant for later anyway it doesn't matter much.
In the 10 test games I had consistent 5~7 turn wins (by not caring about having exactly 3 SoR).

So definitely better. Thanks a lot furballdn! :D

Edit: Highly draw dependent. Last 4 games were around 10~12 Turns.
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Re: Need help with kinda ~TTK? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43788.msg1004132#msg1004132
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2012, 10:42:51 pm »
Why not run 6 novas, :earth mark and :aether pends without those gnomes...?
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