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Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105254#msg105254
« on: July 01, 2010, 07:55:21 am »
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Well I just recently built this rusher deck and it kills AI3 in less than 7 turns. It works well for me.
Only problem I'm having is that my first hand and draws are always not working out!
Anyway to fix this?
Here are my details:

VITALS:
 :fire Immolation: This is the main part of the deck. Helps to get out all of my phoenixes and lava golems.
 :light Photons: Second main component. Once i get one photon and an immolation, I can start immolatiing the phoenixes. But that stalls for a turn.
 :fire Phoenixes: Main attackers.

IDEALS:
 :fire Brimstone Eaters: Only upgrades in the deck. They help LOTS by getting out more fire to quicken up the process if I have no immolations in hand
 :fire Deflagrations: Gets rid of those pesky shields and annoying weaponry.

FILLERS/OPTIONAL:
 :fire :earth Lava Golems: This is what I added in to use up the extra Earth quanta with the Immolations. This I think is probably the reason why my deck aint working because I barely use them.

TAKEN OUT:
 :fire Crimson Dragons: Too expensive and slowed the deck down.

Any help on this deck would be awesome!
I would like to have this deck reach the potential of:
 :time Better draws
 :fire Still the same attack speed or faster
 :life Kept at 30 cards.

Thanks for reading. And again, help would be great.
Thanks!
~Snopel

guy_fawkes

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105280#msg105280
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 08:58:27 am »
i am not so sure about this build...
my main concern is about immolation, everything revolves around getting an immolation.
and even after you put it out your creatures are so fragile (7/1, 2/1...)

i personally think that a pillarless red deck may not be a winning idea because you have no use for other quantas produced by immolation, your deck is susceptible to bad draws and generally slower than classic speedbow...

Snopel

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105289#msg105289
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 09:06:47 am »
i am not so sure about this build...
my main concern is about immolation, everything revolves around getting an immolation.
and even after you put it out your creatures are so fragile (7/1, 2/1...)

i personally think that a pillarless red deck may not be a winning idea because you have no use for other quantas produced by immolation, your deck is susceptible to bad draws and generally slower than classic speedbow...
Call me stupid, but I don't think I've ever heard of speedbow. o.0
Care to link me to it?

Thanks for the criticism though. I guess thats my fifth failed deck of mine...

guy_fawkes

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105310#msg105310
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 09:29:39 am »
don't get me wrong, i am not completely rejecting your idea, it's always better to explore every deck type to find out what's the best.. right? :)

Anyway I'll link to you a classic Speedbow (speed+rainbow:P) give it a shot!
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5786.0.html

xxxdeathxxx

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105316#msg105316
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 09:48:35 am »
um shoudnt the mark be  :earth ??

Snopel

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105323#msg105323
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 10:10:42 am »
um shoudnt the mark be  :earth ??
Sorry, but to me that makes the deck kinda slower.

don't get me wrong, i am not completely rejecting your idea, it's always better to explore every deck type to find out what's the best.. right? :)

Anyway I'll link to you a classic Speedbow (speed+rainbow:P) give it a shot!
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5786.0.html
Well yeah I guess you're right. It's funny how there's only deck I've made that actually works... (Vamp Adrenaline).
And is there an unupgraded speedbow deck? Thanks for giving me the link. Just wondering. =3

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105412#msg105412
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 12:34:40 pm »
I think there isn't any speed rainbows un-upped because normally the speed comes from supernovas.

And, take out photons and put crimson dragons? you can Immolate the phoenixes since they won't die anyway. or if you want just replace the lava golems - they don't do much, and you won't generate more then 6 earth quanta in the whole game -  really not enough to make all those guys survive a rof or any other critter-controling spell.

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105429#msg105429
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 12:52:48 pm »
I think there isn't any speed rainbows un-upped because normally the speed comes from supernovas.

And, take out photons and put crimson dragons? you can Immolate the phoenixes since they won't die anyway. or if you want just replace the lava golems - they don't do much, and you won't generate more then 6 earth quanta in the whole game -  really not enough to make all those guys survive a rof or any other critter-controling spell.
normal phoenixes cost 7  :fire so you actually need immolation to cast them...
if you put minor phoenix, but in this case you would be even slower...

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105487#msg105487
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 01:55:22 pm »
I think there isn't any speed rainbows un-upped because normally the speed comes from supernovas.

And, take out photons and put crimson dragons? you can Immolate the phoenixes since they won't die anyway. or if you want just replace the lava golems - they don't do much, and you won't generate more then 6 earth quanta in the whole game -  really not enough to make all those guys survive a rof or any other critter-controling spell.
You need photons to get any monster out.

And could I maybe replace the golems with lycanthropes and other quanta using creatures?

xxxdeathxxx

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105514#msg105514
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 02:23:47 pm »
um shoudnt the mark be  :earth ??
Sorry, but to me that makes the deck kinda slower.

slower? u use mark of  :earth to grow the destroyers.... and i think that makes this deck faster  ;)

Snopel

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105526#msg105526
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 02:33:54 pm »
um shoudnt the mark be  :earth ??
Sorry, but to me that makes the deck kinda slower.

slower? u use mark of  :earth to grow the destroyers.... and i think that makes this deck faster  ;)
Well you could be right. I'm crap at this but from my understandings, the Fire mark helps me get my creatures out faster

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Re: Need help on a pillarless Mono Fire. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8957.msg105536#msg105536
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 02:41:12 pm »
well, if you would change your mark to :earth, id take out the phoenixes, add 3 drags and add 3 brimstone eaters(should be upped for more quanta production)

 

anything
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