Need feedback on a 30-card Rainbow Anti-FG Mindflayer/Pharoah

[Wushu]

The deck

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For the creatures
Get the mind flayers out first
Use 1 mind flayer for creature control
Use 1 mind flayer with butterfly for permanent control
Get the Pharoah out after the mind flayers, use scarabs to mop up

For the stall
Use Shards of Gratitude
Use Improved Antimatter
Use Aflatoxin to fill up the FG field after a good shield is established

For the shields
2 permafrost for most creatures
1 jade shield for anti-explosion/anti-steal

Thanks for your help.

Example 1 versus Octane

Example 2 versus Ferox

Example 3 versus Elidnis

Example 4 versus Gemini

[killfer8]

Hey thats a pretty good deck but why are the mind flayers unupped. anyways we have sumthing in common we like Wushu (kung fu)

[Lluis83]

Hey thats a pretty good deck but why are the mind flayers unupped. anyways we have sumthing in common we like Wushu (kung fu)

Because upped are 3 attack and you can't play butterfly on them.

[Lluis83]

 I see a problem. Pharaoh decks problem is they are very slow hitters, games take very long. You have 6 quantum towers and 1 time tower. Plus 5 supernovas.  Once you have established your defense, and you can start doing scarabs (this if you don't lost early) you'll have a few cards in deck.Then you''ll have to rewind, that is 3 time quanta per turn, and if you want to do more scarabs you'll need more time quanta. For beating miracle, for instance, you have to do 1.000 damage, because if he plays a jade shields, the rewinding trick for bypass miracle doesn't work with 1 damage for each creature.


Have you tried the deck?

[Wushu]

I see a problem. Pharaoh decks problem is they are very slow hitters, games take very long. You have 6 quantum towers and 1 time tower. Plus 5 supernovas.  Once you have established your defense, and you can start doing scarabs (this if you don't lost early) you'll have a few cards in deck.Then you''ll have to rewind, that is 3 time quanta per turn, and if you want to do more scarabs you'll need more time quanta. For beating miracle, for instance, you have to do 1.000 damage, because if he plays a jade shields, the rewinding trick for bypass miracle doesn't work with 1 damage for each creature.


Have you tried the deck?

That's a good point.  I have played about 40-ish FG games with the deck (not in trainer).  I actually haven't run across Miracle yet, so I haven't run into that specific instance where a Jade Shield AND Improved Miracle are in play.  I have been worried about the Time Quanta drain, but so far it hasn't been much of a problem.  I think it's because I either lose early, and never get the Pharaoh out, or I control the board and can build up plenty of Time Quantum to finish the game.  The other problem I have experienced is that you need to rewind Scarabs, which is more expensive than Skeletons from a Graveyard.

Although I am trying to keep the deck to 30 cards, it's been my experience that I tend to play a bit better when I have 34-ish cards.  I may add another Time Tower or add back a Graveyard.

[Quantum Divinity]

Nice strategy
I would switch Fire Buckler with another shield or take it out since players uses steals. Immaterial creature can be killed by them. Maybe a Reflective or Mirror Shield to go along with Aflatoxins?

[unionruler]

My personal take on Pharaoh decks in general is that the decks themselves have a minimum critical mass, that is to say the deck itself must have the bulk to actually provide the whole setup and stall until it can achieve as such, and i opine this value to be at 40 cards. While I understand that you are rather into the research of 30-card anti FGs, you are dreadfully short of time quanta (which is another reason to take more cards--stockpile more) especially if you were forced into a situation where you had to generate a scarab and rewind one card to avoid deckout. No harm testing, but I don't think this deck is going anywhere.

[Lluis83]

I have tried the deck. 5 games against FG 1 win 4 loses. I don't feel short of time quanta in none of the games. Althought, without drawing power, sometimes I was expecting for Pharaoh and get short of stall. Other games when I was taking control of board I had too little hp and lost to don't be able to stop in time all the damage. I don't see the point of having two aflatoxins, with one is enought. Maybe a improved miracle will help in place of aflatoxin. I am not sure if it is viable a 30 cards FG with Pharaoh, as Unionruler says, it takes a bit to take control, an you need stall and drawing power, and I am not sure if a 30 cards can provide that.


I'll follow the improvements to this deck, I would be glad if you can make it work fine

[Wushu]

My personal take on Pharaoh decks in general is that the decks themselves have a minimum critical mass, that is to say the deck itself must have the bulk to actually provide the whole setup and stall until it can achieve as such, and i opine this value to be at 40 cards. While I understand that you are rather into the research of 30-card anti FGs, you are dreadfully short of time quanta (which is another reason to take more cards--stockpile more) especially if you were forced into a situation where you had to generate a scarab and rewind one card to avoid deckout. No harm testing, but I don't think this deck is going anywhere.

This deck isn't meant to be a Pharaoh-first deck, and it falls in line with your assessment of Pharoahs.  I see the one Pharaoh in this deck as a replacement for the one Firefly Queen previously in this deck, with a little more flexibility because of Scarabs.  That is to say, the Pharoah should be played during the endgame.

As I continue to play this deck, I find that I need to have an early shield up (preferably Permafrost, or Jade Shield for FGs with permanent control) and then go for Aflatoxin.  Depending on the FG, then I need to choose whether to go for early creature or permanent control with the Mind Flayers.  However, I agree that a 30-card deck may not be optimal size for this deck.

I really haven't run into a situation where I am short of Time Quanta -- but again, I believe it's because I lose early before I ever need them.  If I can establish control of the board with Shield+Aflatoxin+Mind Flayers, I haven't used any Time Quanta at all.  And if I get that 1 Time Tower out early (without it being destroyed) I easily have 25-30 Time Quanta to start with before I begin playing the Pharoah.

I estimate that I am around a 30% win rate, which for a starting deck with my play style, isn't bad.  Since I primarily play against FGs, I have a losing record (currently at 1110 wins, 1387 losses).  But I do have a nice set of upped cards to work with.

I (may) need to play with the size of the deck some more -- I've thought about putting an Hourglass or two in, but I think that would really drain the Time Quanta.

[Wushu]

I have tried the deck. 5 games against FG 1 win 4 loses. I don't feel short of time quanta in none of the games. Althought, without drawing power, sometimes I was expecting for Pharaoh and get short of stall. Other games when I was taking control of board I had too little hp and lost to don't be able to stop in time all the damage. I don't see the point of having two aflatoxins, with one is enought. Maybe a improved miracle will help in place of aflatoxin. I am not sure if it is viable a 30 cards FG with Pharaoh, as Unionruler says, it takes a bit to take control, an you need stall and drawing power, and I am not sure if a 30 cards can provide that.


I'll follow the improvements to this deck, I would be glad if you can make it work fine

For me, I have two Aflaxtoxins in this deck so I have a better chance of having one in the first few turns.  I try and Aflatoxin pretty early, to prevent many of the FG creatures from entering the game.  The shields on your side can block all the mutant cells.

I agree that 30 cards may not be the optimal size for this deck.  But I usually start with small decks and add incremental changes to get bigger if I need to.

[Decktrya]

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[gutsyDuck]

one stupid thing, your deck depends on pharoah and eternity. you will lose each time they came too late inplay and there is the possibility that they are in the last card. pout almost this card twice.

You got three buckler, your protection should come from scarab, not from shield. shield should be use only to deal with untargetable creature (or redirecting spell ) I suggest you remove permafrost ( or jade shield for it is the most expensive and there is very few FG using direct damage)