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Iblis

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg81744#msg81744
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 12:11:49 pm »
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet:

You already have light quanta coming in from  your Fireflies, surely all of that won't be going on making more Fireflies, right? So why not drop in a couple of Guardian Angel? They can keep your creatures alive if faced with a Fireshield.

Then, if you upgrade them, they'll also do 4 damage over the Titanium shield (although you probably won't have enough in to win without already having done considerable damage before the shield comes into play).

I'd say drop 1 Rustler and 1 Fog Shield from the original deck and add in 2 Guardian Angel.

If you're playing with finkel's deck now, drop 1 Hope and 1 Emerald Dragon, adding in Guardian Angels instead :)

Personally, I used to play with something pretty much like finkel's deck with my improvements, but this was before Hope was released so I had Fog Shields instead, worked pretty well, can only see it being better with Hope in there :)

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg81788#msg81788
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 01:30:04 pm »
With fireflies having 2 health, guardian angle's won't do much in the way of saving them. You can save 4 of them, max, which may be helpful, but if anything, I'd rather add more dragons, since they synergize perfectly with fireflies to get around the vast majority of shields (firelies ignore gravity shield, dragons go over damage reduction shields). Guardian angels can only save 4 of your precious fireflies, which may help you get more out, and I'd have to try it to say for certain, but I'd think I'd rather have moar dragons ^_^ I'll try it out and let you know how it goes/what I think.

Bender74d

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg81811#msg81811
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 02:14:41 pm »
The angels did cross my mind, but not to save the fireflys, but more so to save the queen.

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg82464#msg82464
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 02:14:47 am »
Right, but in most cases you can just play another queen or not worry about it if you get enough fireflies out. One really satisfying thing about this deck is facing an enemy with 2 purple nymphs (in pvp, in my case) and watching him antimatter 2 fireflies only to watch me snipe two and immediately replace them with fresh ones. When this deck takes off, it really takes off. ^_^ If your opponent doesn't have any mass creature control, he's screwed. Speaking of which, owl's eye is extremely useful against many many threats. Against a lobotomizer that's stalling with a dim shield, you can snipe+replace as he lobos, to keep your hope up.

I've been farming FGs recently, but I'll try this deck out and let you know what I think. It looked to me like decking out was a very real possibility against AI5s (AI3s don't require such a complex and strong deck, lol) that drop any number of cards. The owl's eyes are extremely useful for killing your own creatures, such as when you get aflaotoxined+skull bucklered, or if your opponent drops a 4-damage preventing hope (yeah, it happened) with four immortal bio-luminescent frogs (god damn I want one now, I wonder if the pet shop sells them...) so you can clear room for your dragons. The 3 dragons won me many games (out of the ~25 I played, lol) when I won with ten or less cards left. Without all that extra damage decking out would have been a very real possibility. I wish there was some option for permanent destruction with this deck, but the only practical way to go would be to make it mark of fire and pack deflags/explosions. Steals are out since you can't steal shields if you have hope up (you can always replace it with another hope, but eeehhhhhhh, too risky for my taste. Butterfly effect is expensive, pulvy is way out of question. I think I'll try mark of fire+deflags and see how that goes. I can definitely replace drags with angels in that case, but I may be too short on quanta to get the combo rolling. We'll see.

Bender74d

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg82894#msg82894
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 04:49:52 pm »
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I think I'll try mark of fire+deflags and see how that goes. I can definitely replace drags with angels in that case, but I may be too short on quanta to get the combo rolling. We'll see.
Let me know how it goes...i've since reset my account to better farm t50 in order to get some rares to try out some ai5/fg decks (none of which i like so far  :-[ )  oh well lol.  I may just recreate this for when i play against some of my buds.

finkel

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg82899#msg82899
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 05:03:47 pm »
@bender: you could probably have just sold all your extra cards and gotten whatever you needed :\
I recommend that if you ever get an unupgraded card you'd sell, and you don't absolutely have to, hold on to it. keep one reserve upgraded card you can sell in a pinch to get electrum. It's really helpful (trust me, after spending a total of several hours by now trying to decide which cards I could sell and which I shouldn't, it's a big relief to just sell an upgraded card and go on your merry way)

Bender74d

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg82951#msg82951
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 05:58:08 pm »
Good advice...i thought i made a mistake picking my weapon, which is why i reset...come to find out the t50 farm deck i like doesn't use one anyway

Angura

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg124835#msg124835
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 05:37:31 pm »
Hey there, I'm still pretty new to elements and I'm also having some trouble with my FFQ deck and the suggestions made here.
Since I had no real idea on how to make my deck I went for the Air/Life Deck on the wiki page:
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After some first success I encountered serious problems even on lvl3 enemies, whereas I'm having no trouble at all beating them with an aether mono deck on a different account. But I really like this FFQ army idea connected to the emph. bonds, so I would really like to make that work ;)
From what I've read in this thread, I should change to Life Mark and get rid of the emerald pillars to make room for more rustlers and such.
That sounds pretty good, but my problem is the following:

Very often I encounter enemies with death mark and a lot of devourers and steal-cards.
So I generally end up having not enough quanta to play something decent and can't destroy the devourers either. (Maybe with owl's eye when lucky, but this also decreases my quantum income AND this card mostly ends up in the enemies hand anyway)
With the deck suggestion posted here, I would get only 1 life quanta per turn, right? So I fear I probably wouldn't get any life quanta at all, which means no rustlers, no fireflies and no bonds.
Or am I missing something? As I said, I'm just a noob ;)

Thanks for any advice :)
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rotface

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg125036#msg125036
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2010, 08:54:13 pm »
hey do u find ur self with plenty of  air  or  life quanta maybe u can take out for one more bond  take out a pillar for bond i think

linkcat

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg125203#msg125203
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 12:13:22 am »
Your deck looks good, but I suggest the following changes:

-1 Emerald Pillar
-1 Fog Shield
-1 Firefly Queen

+1 Rustler
+1 Wind Pillar
+1 Shockwave (until you get another Owl's Eye)

Upgrade the Rustlers first.

rotface

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg125220#msg125220
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2010, 12:22:35 am »
yea if u want strictly offense i guess since u got the   hope for shield trash the fog shield

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Re: My variation of the firefly deck...with a few questions.... https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7289.msg125515#msg125515
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 12:30:57 pm »
i played a long time with ffq to and i always liked more bonds,maybe add 1-2 more so you draw them faster?
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