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Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177186#msg1177186
« on: January 26, 2015, 04:59:52 pm »
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Only tried a few matched. Main issue was that the opponent spammed to many creatures. Couldn't keep up the bone wall.
CC also was a bother when I played against a deck that had SL as oracle card. I'm sure there are other weaknesses, so I'm interested how you would make this work in plat, if possible.
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177190#msg1177190
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 05:31:10 pm »
Im sorry, but probably by making this speed poison kamikaze. When there is consistently too much stuff on the opponents side SoSacs defensive capabilities are unmatched. Repeatable CC is effective against a board that slowly builds up over time and does not pump everything out the moment its drawn.

Kind of ironic that I am trying to make an eternitybased drawstall work against platinum right now  :P

If you want to keep the theme of poison, CC and bonewalls, but also fend of large creaturemobs you may try (unupped/upped? i dunno) Pandemonium instead of  :fire nymphs. Not sure whether you would still call it the same deck idea then though and I think I tried something like that before and then suffered the death from a thousand cuts, because pandemonium doesnt clear very thoroughly.
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177386#msg1177386
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 10:51:31 am »
In this deck is too few  :fire generators for the 3 nymphs. Better try to use something different. 2 explosions are also too few for PC. The bone walls are relying to get augmented by killed creatures. But the only creature killer are the 3 nymphs which are too expensive.

I would say:
Turn the mark to  :death,
remove all the Red Nymphs
remove all the Explosions
add 4 upped plaques for CC (variation: add 1 upped skull shield and 3 upped plaques)
add 1 upped Sundial
Change all burning Towers into Death Towers.

Because you work with poison, shields of the opponent are not any issue.
One bad thing is that the deathstalker as an additional poison counter generator is a 0 attack creature which requires additional cards to get them attacking.
Another quite nice fitting creature is the Chrysaora/Physalia but they require  :water quanta for summoning.

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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177392#msg1177392
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2015, 11:53:24 am »
What about rain of fire instead of pandemonium
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177396#msg1177396
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2015, 12:32:35 pm »
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The big difference is, that with the Nova the hasten effect of the Sun Dial is useable to get more speed in addition in this deck. On trainer I was able to win against lvl 40 decks.

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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177406#msg1177406
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2015, 03:11:40 pm »
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The big difference is, that with the Nova the hasten effect of the Sun Dial is useable to get more speed in addition in this deck. On trainer I was able to win against lvl 40 decks.
This deck has almost no semblance to the one in the OP though....
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177686#msg1177686
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 11:52:09 am »
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The big difference is, that with the Nova the hasten effect of the Sun Dial is useable to get more speed in addition in this deck. On trainer I was able to win against lvl 40 decks.
This deck has almost no semblance to the one in the OP though....

There are still some similarities.
The deck of the OP deals damage with poison counters and for blocking attackers he uses sundials for stalling.

The issues I see with the OP deck that 3 burning towers are too less to get the nymphes out fast enough.
I tested the OP deck in the trainer and won 11 games while lost 2 games. But the AI was playing so strange that at least 6 games was won coz AI did not deployed any attackers. 4 more games was won coz AI had much less HP.

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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177690#msg1177690
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2015, 12:57:10 pm »
If you want to keep the theme of poison, CC and bonewalls, but also fend of large creaturemobs you may try (unupped/upped? i dunno) Pandemonium instead of  :fire nymphs. Not sure whether you would still call it the same deck idea then though and I think I tried something like that before and then suffered the death from a thousand cuts, because pandemonium doesnt clear very thoroughly.

As you said, Pande does not always make it's job very well. Besides that, I can't waste it on just a few creatures (unless I pack lots of pandes and draw them all) so I have to wait and maybe let myself receive some damage. I think Nymphs are better (at least if drawn early enough) to start cleaning the field asap. So yeah, it depends a bit on the situation. However, also nymphs can be too slow to keep up with creature spam.

In this deck is too few  :fire generators for the 3 nymphs. Better try to use something different. 2 explosions are also too few for PC. The bone walls are relying to get augmented by killed creatures. But the only creature killer are the 3 nymphs which are too expensive.

I don't really care about PC. My main concern are Lobos or Poseidon/Pulverizer which could either stop my nymphs or my rather low quanta production.

I would say:
Turn the mark to  :death,
remove all the Red Nymphs
remove all the Explosions
add 4 upped plaques for CC (variation: add 1 upped skull shield and 3 upped plaques)
add 1 upped Sundial
Change all burning Towers into Death Towers.

As I mentioned in my answer to kaempfer13, I refrain from using cards like Pande and Plague because they are not repeatable CC. I'd rather have a guarantee that once I have a Nymph I can keep destroying creatures without having to rely on further draws.


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The big difference is, that with the Nova the hasten effect of the Sun Dial is useable to get more speed in addition in this deck. On trainer I was able to win against lvl 40 decks.

While I like the deck, I think it is a bit too far away from my idea to use early and continuos CC. And I wonder if those 6 Sundials provide enough protection for 200 HP platinum decks. But it seems suited for AI4.


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So, if I understood right, I don't have enough :fire?

What is the opinion about this deck, then?

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Unfortunately, I can't test it, because I only have 3 :fire Nymphs.
I put in 4 Arsenics, because the general idea is to have one very early and start stacking damage, which is usually enough for non-healing 200HP opponents.
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177692#msg1177692
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2015, 01:39:41 pm »
I dont like the 6 burning towers, get rid of em for 3 pendalums and then whatever other cards you want to add in for those 3 spots
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177695#msg1177695
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 02:38:22 pm »
@gunther: If we are talking only about similarities, when someone asks for help with an earth rush, give them a life rush! That is terrible logic. They want help with there deck, not something so radically different.

Your version takes out the entirety of the control part and puts in stall and speed, that is nearly completely different aside from the poison.
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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177697#msg1177697
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 03:34:15 pm »
Ok the first thing I see with the new deck that there are 4 Arsenics but only one animate weapon.
Second try use the upgraded version of the nymphs (Fire Nymph).
Then I replaced 3 Fire Towers with 3 Death Penduli or Bone Towers. If that is too much Death quanta or too less fire quanta chance these to Fire Penduli also.

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Re: Make this work in Plat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57457.msg1177699#msg1177699
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2015, 04:47:51 pm »
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Tried this, briefly, and won a couple, lost three (beat a 1hp deck and a SoFr deck that had a terrible start). I'm pretty sure it's doomed to failure, though. It has problems against denial, SoFr (even with the firestorms I added), mono darkness, anything with enough CC to kill the nymphs, poison decks, SoW decks... Most of Plat, really. I'm not sure what can be changed about it. Might be worth trying in Gold.

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