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Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422867#msg422867
« on: November 09, 2011, 05:48:05 pm »
I'm debating becoming more active on elements again, but the key factor will probably be if playing the game was fun.  Last time around, the culmination of my deckbuilding was the trials winning deck, which was the best balance of healing, mana ramping, creature spamming, and creature buffing I've ever found in the game.  But it had a few key problems.

1)  It was incredibly weak to CC.  Almost any kind of CC, early enough, shut it down.
2)  It could easily get outstalled, as one shield prevented the vast majority of it's damage.

I'm looking for that same exponential feel, but for it to scale better into the late game.

Two perfect examples of this are FFQ and vulture.  They're both multi-proccing damage ramp, each has easy to get mana ramp (photosynthesis or SC), and defense (EB or bonewall).  However good the combo is, it still only scales linearly.

The deck I want would be circular in playstyle.  Effect is cause, plus some.  Everything you do lets you do it again, but moreso the next time.

Anyone go any ideas for a deck like this?

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422875#msg422875
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2011, 06:22:51 pm »
CP or Blessing on Wyrms/Pegasus. Dive means your effect is doubled.
PU'ing the blessed Pegasus/Wyrm would make this even better.

Is that what you mean?... I am unsure :D

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422880#msg422880
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2011, 06:32:13 pm »
I've been playing around with this deck for a while now:

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??? = SoSer

EQ, Discord and BH are a pure ownage combination and screws many decks like RNG in a bad mood.
Wings and Recluses are great against pretty much anything your opponent throws at you.
SoSer for the pure fun and awesomeness they bring. Out of 3 random cards, there will always be at least something useful (or deadly, yay for Chaos Power, Dune Scorp and Adrenaline :3 ) and very seldomly you'll be stuck with 2 Dragons in hand :/ (That's the actually circular part of the deck, gaining 3 cards out of 1 and often those cards can be used even further after playing)

Even though it looks like there isn't much damage potential, it still wins very often by turn 7 with EM.

Since you wanted something even more circular, how about this randomly fattened up deck?
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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422888#msg422888
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2011, 07:04:52 pm »
Just what Kaker said : tossing 4 to 6 Sose In a speedbow make it incredibilety fun and pleasant to play with. When I'm bored I build a seedbow with SoSe and play with it :)
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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422891#msg422891
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2011, 07:14:19 pm »
I guess you don't understand what I'm going for.

Discord/BH isn't circular.  They work well together, but playing blackhole doesn't make discord more effective, and playing discord doesn't let you play blackhole more often.

Circular is like FFQ/rustler.  The quanta gets pooped out of FFQ, doubled, and sent right back into FFQ.

Circular is like mitosis/virus/SC.  Killing the virus pays for the mana to get the next virus, plus 2 extra quanta.

Effect is cause, plus more.

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422896#msg422896
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2011, 07:29:37 pm »
would something like this work?
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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422925#msg422925
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2011, 08:43:22 pm »
Mito-pests with cloak, bond, and dragons perhaps? cloak protects against early CC, mito pests steal quanta to power their own mitosis while locking the enemy down and ramping up healing. Endgame you mito a black dragon with the excess quanta.


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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422931#msg422931
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2011, 08:58:41 pm »
Well then, if you want an effect->cause and double it up again, how about making a :death / :water deck with Bonewall, Flooding and Graveyard?
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Flooding and Plague kills whatever needs to be killed, boosting your bonewall and gives you skelletons,  raising your wall again.

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422935#msg422935
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 09:09:45 pm »
I think you underestimate how unique your deck is. The "do it again but more each time" comes from the fact that Rustler lets you get 2 Life for one 1 Light. The nice quanta ramp comes from Mitosis. Your Trials deck has so many good synergies all over the place that I don't think you can recreate with a different set of cards.

But I also don't think you need a deck exactly as you say to have fun. There are lots of fun decks, though with slightly less cohesion.

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422959#msg422959
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2011, 10:04:32 pm »
Maybe something like this?
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Not the most effective deck, but it works and its fun :P

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422967#msg422967
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2011, 10:18:47 pm »
would something like this work?
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That's getting there, I'll try it.

Mito-pests with cloak, bond, and dragons perhaps? cloak protects against early CC, mito pests steal quanta to power their own mitosis while locking the enemy down and ramping up healing. Endgame you mito a black dragon with the excess quanta.
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I think you underestimate how unique your deck is. The "do it again but more each time" comes from the fact that Rustler lets you get 2 Life for one 1 Light. The nice quanta ramp comes from Mitosis. Your Trials deck has so many good synergies all over the place that I don't think you can recreate with a different set of cards.

But I also don't think you need a deck exactly as you say to have fun. There are lots of fun decks, though with slightly less cohesion.
I'd like to /hope/ an equally synergistic deck exists out there.  The concept revolves around multi-proccing abilities, and unfortunately there are only a few of those in the game (rustler, the majority of death's effects), which makes things kind of restrictive.  Fractal/Mitosis + Quanta granters might also do it, but you need to combine that with a pumpspell.  Maybe fractal gemfinders into stoneskin?  I'ma keep looking.

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Re: Looking for a new deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33521.msg422976#msg422976
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 10:45:49 pm »
Adrenarols with rustlers!

 

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